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40lb North West Carp
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Author Topic: 40s (Read 673 times) andy NMFF Super Poster have any of you heard of any 40s comin out of a prince albert water.also one comin out of the weaver as i heard from good sources where an how big an their both commons Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular Not heard anything about the prince albert fish or the river fish But what i can say is the river weaver could well of produced a 40+common my mate had a fish about 5-6 yrs ago that was 34-35lbish at the time its a well known fish that i have infact caught myself many yrs ago when it was 21.12 its consistantly been puting about 1 1/2lb a yr on its also a two-toned common if its the same fish BTW there are two big two toned commons in the winsford section of the weaver the other was out this yr at 34lb+ think thats one that MarkR has had in the past « Last Edit: 8 Nov, 2005, 6:21 by coffindodger » Link to Post - Back to Top 84.66.248.1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster just had it clarified the pa 40 didnt happen it was from a local 100 acre mere so if you think you know where i mean have a guess an ill let ya no if ya right or wrong obviously if ya right ill let ya know through pm Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular if i remeber correctly it was a low 20 when Mark had it which at the time was a very good fish for the river Link to Post - Back to Top 84.65.167.194 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular Andy i know exactly where that one came from and it was 18 months ago when it came out even though it has only recently been published belive the sheep are already following on down there if they knew how much work was put into thoughs fish then i very much doubt they would bother « Last Edit: 8 Nov, 2005, 16:04 by coffindodger » Link to Post - Back to Top 84.65.167.194 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- marker NMFF Super Poster yeah that two-tone weaver common was 21lb 4oz when i had it and that was around 1998 (ish). funnily enough my mate had a 25lb 4oz mirror the same night....i wonder how big that is now i still rate the lower stretches of the weaver better, i've had a few slightly bigger than that two tone, all caught from further downstream Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- realtree NMFF Super Poster well done too rob and criss Link to Post - Back to Top 195.93.21.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster the weaver 40 was caught earlier this year at 43.12 from something like bamford bridge strech forgive me if the name is wrong but thats the strech.as for pa top an bottom thorny have no 40s high 30s possibly unless dovemere an sandmere av em in lol Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nige Administrator Northern-Monkeys Co-Editor Thrneys biggest are the dutch fish and only mid thirties and dovemere and sandmere, pah! Link to Post - Back to Top Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster coffin im talkin about a fish witnessed this year and not publicised at all it weighed in at something like 40.02 so just scrapped it but still to big to flush down the toilet the water in question only has around 20 to 30 swims an the same amount of fish Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular 8 Nov, 2005, 20:48, ianb wrote:The question is how many are left after the recent carp deaths in that area?? PS whose rob and chris?? The guys who have recently published some of the biggest ever cheshire commons Dont know how many are left but i do know some of the big lads have survived to be honest there was so many carp in the river they needed thining out IMHO Link to Post - Back to Top 84.65.70.0 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Julian Administrator Editor Re: Thorneycroft. I know a lad that had the biggie out of there within the last couple of years (before he started on Top Pool) and from memory it was 30lb and ounces Link to Post - Back to Top 86.142.71.89 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nige Administrator Northern-Monkeys Co-Editor That "Trevor" or the other one? Link to Post - Back to Top Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster ian what part is tosh the fact pa waters have no 40s or the fact i no many people who fish pa waters week in week out an still waiting for a 30 now hate for saying unless you can show me pics of a 40 then this be a myth like the compstall 30s and ask any old school regular like kd or even big mark smith as he has most big fish out Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bonyman If you do enough digging for info you'll find that the Weaver did a 40 nigh on ten years ago,as mentioned its now a case of whether they're still alive after this years goings on....
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NMFF Regular 9 Nov, 2005, 18:18, bonyman wrote:If you do enough digging for info you'll find that the Weaver did a 40 nigh on ten years ago,as mentioned its now a case of whether they're still alive after this years goings on.... Is this the fish reported to of been caught on caster by a match angler mate if so i did a lot of digging at the time and came to the conclution it was comnpleat bull . Best i saw when fishing it in the late 80s early 90s was a 29lb mirror same yr as i had the common at 21.12 that was last out as far as i know 5 yrs ago at 34.12 if the mirror is still knocking about it will be a real kipper. Think there a still a lot of carp in the river from what i have seen and the bigger fish seem to of survived possibly because they do not tend to hang around in the large shoals that the smaller carp do and hence they where less susseptable to a fish to fish born infection Link to Post - Back to Top 81.76.112.45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nige Administrator Northern-Monkeys Co-Editor Any other waters with bigger fish Ian? Link to Post - Back to Top Logged -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bonyman Guest Re: 40s « Reply #17 on 9 Nov, 2005, 19:03 » No coffers I have it on good authority that it was a genuine capture,the NW grapevine is a very busy one but not everything gets aired. There used to be (still is?)a little tackle shop in Davenham village where a mate of mine used to frequent and he was shown the pictures of it after the holder of said photo's decided he was trustworthy enough to be shown-which i found amusing as my mate was as iffy as hell... Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular bonyman Yes know the tackle shop you are on about thought it had shut down yrs ago now though. Like you say mate the grapvine around here is quicker than 8meg broardband yet i still have never met anyone who has sen the pic and match men are not the most reliable sourse when it comes to the fish waights and i dont know many match men that carry around there own personal scales that go to over 40lb most carp lads only carry 40lb avons Link to Post - Back to Top 81.76.112.45 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster do pa still have marbury mere if they do just ask yourself whats kickin about in there now Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bonyman Guest At the risk of this becoming a silly secret squirrel fishing w***house type subject...you might wanna take a good look at your PA waters list marker mate,just cos it aint been spread all over Carp Talk doesn't mean the fish don't exist!Did Australia not exist before the first sailors embarked upon it?Or the atom?! The Weavers a big old stretch of water in terms of acre's and nobody can say what its potential really is,as mentioned I have it on good authority that a 40 was bagged years ago,on the bend near the blue a556 bridge. Its done god knows how many 20's and several fish to 30lb+ but many people tend not to wannna win that new Fox bivvy or Nash bedchair by entering the glory hunter competitions,preferring to enjoy the moment in private or between close mates.After all,whats the point in blowing your venue wide open with photo's in the mags only to struggle to get anywhere near your fave swim for months after cos the info leeches have descended on the water! What I'm trying to make point of is the fact that because it hasn't been publicised does not mean it doesn't exist.You think PA aint got a water with a 40 in it?If you're serious enough to wanna take on the mammoth task of catching one you'll find otherwise.PA has a ridiculous number of waters,nobody can defo say whats in all of them,simply too many fish to log! Ok the well fished waters (dove,sand,thorny etc)can pretty much be deemed to have x as its biggest fish due to the high number of anglers,but there are a few NW waters holding 40lb fish that are so overlooked they're hardly fished!!!! The recent activities of Rob n Chris speaks volumes on unknown monster carp catches...just seems nowadays that a lot of people like KNOWING where big fish are with little intention of actually FISHING for em! Each to their own mate,for me personally life's too short to go chasing rainbows anymore but to many its all they dream of and best of luck to those who are serious (or mad! ) enough to take on the task Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular Thing is Rob and Chris new they were not chasing gosts as there had been some electro fishing done a few yrs before they fished it and they had some of thoughs big commons then so quite a few of us new they were in there but fair play to Rob and Chris they were the ones who went on and persivered and reaped the rewards well done to them lads is all i can say Link to Post - Back to Top 84.69.42.217 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- bonyman Guest Marker,I don't blame you one bit for doubting someone elses word,in todays carp fishing world just about every puddle,pond and **** hole seems to contain an uncaught whacker (and its always a common aint it!) but life is too short for most to actually put some weight behind the rumours! Alls I can say on the Weaver subject is that the photo my mate saw was genuine,he isn't the type to fabricate these things and if he told me it was raining I wouldn't get my head wet by checking out of the window!His words good enough for me and I'm happy with that,as said its a case of each to their own and no doubt you know someone who's word you'd trust but i wouldn't! I've fished my local canal for ten years and had a few 20's but nothing massive,yet have put other people onto 'my' spots so to speak and they've gone and pulled out upper 20's! which goes to show that big stretches of water can throw up the unexpected when least expected.Either that or my rigs are ****.... Its all been brought out about the demise of those lumps in Top Flash which is all part n parcel of the same system so I see no reason why the Weaver wouldn't have the capability to produce the same size fish. Anyway,whatever you choose to believe,be lucky n tight lines Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular The winsford section of the weaver is deffo capable of a very big fish or two infact i know for a fact that when top flash was origonly stocked some 250 fish from the same batch went into the weaver at the marina that day thats were the bigger commons and mirrors in there origonated thats for sure it also has had a couple of other stockings since then 10,000 small carp went in (fingerlings) these fish do not seem to be going anywere fast and most have stagnated at mid doubles to low 20s plus they have sucsessfully spawen a couple of times too Link to Post - Back to Top 81.79.114.173 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- marker NMFF Super Poster the tf fish are lake fish boney, they don't have to use up energy as the river fish do , that point aside, tf fish weights were artificially high anyway, lets not forget tf was a major circuit water in cheshire and those fish have eaten their way through truck loads of quality bait over the years, the first time i looked at the place there were teams of lads baiting up with premier gear and this was early 90's ....the river fish haven't had anywhere near the amount of decent food those tf fish have had over the years mate Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster are you saying that carp only get fat on boillies an pellets. what about naturals an if you no chance then you better wipe your chin cause the verbal diarhea is touching your neck.i can take you to a water where the fish didnt see a boillie till lastyear an there is fish to 25 i have had an bigger seen fish so when you say there is no chance just think the tf wasnt as prolific as the bottom which had the better fish.take a look pa waters i get told everyday join its the best club around wen its reputation was built on the salmon and trout runs it had not for 30lb carp but people say oh im in pa an seem to think there the great carp gods there not y not fish the weaver for a year and show people whats in there an shut us all up before shouting your mouth off bout whats not in somewhere. oh sorry to all those pa members whose heads arnt so far up their own arses that they can see their own lungs Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- philo NMFF Regular I think youll find Mark has fished the weaver a hell of alot more than you think!!!! The weaver fish HAVE a current (all be it not a very fast current but still) to contend with this would mean burning up more than the TF fish which could sit stationary throughout .....the weaver fish would have to travel a fair distance to come across an anglers bait whereas the TF fish would only have to travel say 50yards and inevatibly find some bait/food ...this results in them getting bigger easier ...think about it, say you sat on the couch for most of the day only had to go into the kitchen to get some food and did nothing much all day you would get 'FAT' ....say you where constantly walking though and to get some food you had to run a mile to the nearest shop..i think you know the outcome would be that you would stay alot thinner on the second scenario!!!! The weaver was a very hungry water, hundreds upon hundreds of carp, bream the LOT! Double figure carp coming out of your ears!! Now to sustain these fish constantly burning energy they have to eat...now there must have been some natural food but obviously not LOADS because most where double figure fish...BUT I think im correct in thinking TF wasnt exactly rammed with fish (Im sure coffindodger will put me right on this) therefore alot more naturals to go around PLUS the fact it was fished a hell of alot more and YES boilies will make fish bigger in the correct environment!!!! SO Weaver has some potential But a hell of alot of MOUTHS to feed and not much food to go around....resulting in not as many big fish as possible. TF had alot less fish and more baits from anglers to sink a ship...Fish Will get bigger on naturals BUT not if there isnt enough to go around. Thanks PHIL Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- philo NMFF Regular BY the way id love you to take me to this 'WATER' infact just tell me where it is as you obviously know alot more than everyone else on here....Are you in paas if not id suggest you get off your HIGH horse an tell us what clubs and waters you fish as they must be Awesome!!!!!!!!!! Phil Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster as for the waters i fish to name a few wyre lake sunny 1 wyreside linnet clough nostel priory mpl sale roman lakes. so when im on my high horse its more of a shetland pony mate an i can quiet happily say pa dont intrest me cause any club where you have to book on there water an then pack up an pay to sleep in a lil house ie the isle then y not just pay for a day ticket an if you want an invite to my local then ok ill take ya cause i came on here to speak to like minded people not make enemys an that invite is to all Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- philo NMFF Regular Seriously though back to the old point Weaver has alot more mouths to feed not enough naturals...so boilies would make a big difference if they where getting shoveled in by the truck load!! But there not so therefore weaver fish are 'GENERALLY' doubles but not saying there isn't exceptions to the rule but id hazard a guess few and far between compared to TF fish! Phil ps. Few more waters than the isle and you DONT have to stay overnight you know...carp are actually cactchable in the day!
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NMFF Super Poster dont need tellin that the water i was talkin about is day only an is stuffed full of naturals but i have just fell lucky i guess as ive had half of em out in a year wherea my old man took 12 months to get his first Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.5 coffindodger NMFF Regular One thing nobody has taken into acount when it comes to the carp in the weaver is the fact that they were stocked purley because the river had had an almost compleat wipe out and the carp were the only fish available to stock at the time initialey. So the initial stockin of these fish had little or no competition for food they were of a good strain as has been proved by the flash and there early vitaly inpotant growing years were not inpeaded . I agree though its a small number that have got very large and when you look at the figgers 250 flash fish against 10,000 others then its hardly suprising it is dam hard work getting through to the big lads but they are there 40lb not sure as have never actually witnessed anything that size but big 30s certainly As for the bait putting waight on fish giving them a faulse top waight not sure about this with the flash if you had a clue about the numbers of bream in there i am suprised the carp ever get a lookin seen them when we did some nettings on there scary numbers of bream where in the nets EVERY time no matter where we netted i am talking hundreads of them 15 guys could hardly bring in the nets even when the tommo's where filling the place in i am not sure it made a big differance an oz or two maybe but lbs i doubt just my oppinion ofcourse Link to Post - Back to Top 84.65.119.150 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- coffindodger NMFF Regular philo. Top flash when i fished it many yrs ago 87-90 had a relativly small number of carp we estimated that there were around 60 fish in there these origonl fish spawned and last yr i would of estimated that there was more like 260 fish in it certainly got easyer but the average size also droped with the new fish still comming on strong though dispite the numbers of bream most of them being mid to high doubles by last yr, so it was not going to be long before we got back to the average of one in three fish being 20+ as it was in the late 80s. Not sure whats left but from what i know quite a few the bigguns have sadly gone seen pics of them gutted when i saw them fish i have known for 20yrs from doubles to be lost so tragicly the commons mate was so freash at the time it looked like it was still alive Link to Post - Back to Top 84.65.119.150 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- marker NMFF Super Poster i knew about the ravenous bream population mark....surely that adds weight to the arguement that tf fish weights were high because of boilies, if you took anglers baits out of the equation would there be enough natural food to feed all those hungry bream with enough left over for the carp to thrive as well as they have done Link to Post - Back to Top 80.5.160.6 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- andy NMFF Super Poster so wot your saying is that cause the carp eat our little round balls means that all the bloodworm an snails etc will be mainly by bream an whatever else is in there as there more bloodworm in a 5 acre lake with natural food stuffs then there is ina field full of maize you could be looking at a lake or river with more naturals than the population of a small coutry look at a kilo of frozen worm try and count them all you would probably get board after 200000 so when people there are to many small fish in to allow for carp to get fat on just naturals just use some common sense and ask yourself how did all those recently uncaught unfished for leviathons get to be so big or read something on food cycles as carp eat fry it the same way they eat boillies.wot has more nutriants in a kilo of the best boilies or a kilo of naturals Link to Post - Back to Top 213.106.215.4 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- marker NMFF Super Poster thats not quite what i'm saying andy as it cuts both ways....any fish that eats a boilie for a meal is not eating natural food, if the fish in a lake are being fed up on high protein boilies and pellets then theres more naturals to go around as well....in other words the whole lake gets enriched regarding your kilo of bloodworm versus a kilo of boilies, i'd say the boilies will do them most benefit in the long run simply because the fish don't have to expend any energy obtaining them a kilo of bloodworm (you'd get bored counting after 200,000 of them according to your own post above) on the other hand would take a massive amount of energy to obtain is that not common sense
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I know of one PA water with a 40 in a certain times of the year and im not talking about the weaver
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cheshire 40s are as rear as hens teeth when i get the one i am after this season i will put a pic on here
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look forward to it good luck mate
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I worked in Winnington (Northwich) for a few years, along side the weaver for a company called Brunner Mond. Spent many a lunch time sharing my butties with some absolute clonkers
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I have never heard of a 40lb fish in pa water.
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Definately not heard of a 40 on any of the PA waters. I used to be a member for yrs and just spoke to a friend who is still in the club and he says that he very much doubts it...
The nearest 40 round here is at a syndicate water which i think is called Farmwood on the holmes chapel road coming from chelford roundabout on the right. i think someone in the club has to die before you get a membership.... could be a long wait! |
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The thing with capes and reedsmere they both get hammered.
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Ive heard that rumore to dont kno if its true ?? the biggest i know is a common about 26lb ..Which pa water did contain a 40ib??
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