Busted

[smokey]

Originally Posted by bobbins

This subject does ring a few bells, but without getting into a big debate about the definition of poaching the way I see it is the fact you have fishing tackle shows intent but im no legal eagle so only my opinion, and I think because it is such a minor offence these days no one would be arced trying to do you for it, unless there were a host of other things to do you for as well.

very true muka , very true ,,,,, if they wont to have you they will ,. guesting is like marmite lol you either lovfe it or hate it

smokey

[Lee Clarke]

[John Aston]

Originally Posted by bobbins

This subject does ring a few bells, but without getting into a big debate about the definition of poaching the way I see it is the fact you have fishing tackle shows intent but im no legal eagle so only my opinion, and I think because it is such a minor offence these days no one would be arced trying to do you for it, unless there were a host of other things to do you for as well.

Have a look at Theft Of Fish Act Section 32 .. it's all there ( it's a bit long winded, and very complicated ) but the general idea is that ...

If you go equipped to fish OTB on Petty Pool for instance, you could be charged with Attemping To Take Fish ... you don't need to be caught with them on the bank ... the fact that you are there " trying to steal them " is enough. It's the same as going equipped to do a burglary ... the bizzies don't have to catch you in the act, the fact you are tooled up can be enough.

Now we all know that 99.9 % of poachers / guesting anglers ( what ever you want to call them ... my description is un printable ) have absolutly no intention of removing the fish what so ever BUT ... and it's a big BUT ... the police have the power to arrest you if this offence is reported to them. I know this because we use this piece of leglisation ourselve's. Whether it eventually leads to a prosecution is usually beside the point ... the fact that you have been arrested and charged usually does the trick.

[growler]

Originally Posted by Northern_Grafter

Have a look at Section 32 - Theft OF Fish Act .. it's all there ( it's a bit long winded, and very complicated ) but the general idea is that ...

If you go equipped to fish OTB on Petty Pool for instance, you could be charged with Attempting To Take Fish ... you don't need to be caught with them on the bank ... the fact that you are there " trying to steal them " is enough. It's the same as going equipped to do a burglary ... the bizzies don't have to catch you in the act, the fact you are tooled up can be enough.

Now we all know that 99.9 % of poachers / guesting anglers ( what ever you want to call them ... my description is un printable ) have absolutely no intention of removing the fish what so ever BUT ... and it's a big BUT ... the police have the power to arrest you if this offence is reported to them. I know this because we use this piece of legislation ourselves. Whether it eventually leads to a prosecution is usually beside the point ... the fact that you have been arrested and charged usually does the trick.

Not where Joyce is concerned he is the ultimate tool that's why hes still trying to wind hotshot an the rest of the lads off petty up on another forum, wizard was half right when he said Joyce was the 1st on another no night fishing water, technically he wasn't, his mate was though plus the club had lost the water but it was being kept quiet an still being run as a club water ie 2 rods an dawn till dusk to try an stop what as unfortunately happened now to once great water but that's another story, i agree with what northern grafter says though as i too bailiff a couple of waters near where i live an any one i catch with no ticket or no permission to be their is treated in exactly the same way whether they are their to steal the fish or not

[Hotshot]

I dont think the guy "trying" to wind me up is a manchester lad, a scouser me thinks
However staying on topic..... In my book it should matter not if the water is day ticket, club, syndicate with a normal waiting list or "closed shop", invite only type water, fellow anglers pay to fish these waters. They've payed and they've waited (many years in some cases) so their fishing should be respected above all else, if you dont have the contacts, the patience or the money required to join the water, it does not give anyone the right to think they can just go on there in the out of bounds, the closed season...at night or whatever in order to bank a few carp. If you cant get in thats life, most of us will never own a lambourgini or live in 5 million pound house, doesnt mean we have to rob the car and break into the house for a weekend does it fkkkkin scum bags spring to mind.
Now I dont expect everyone to share my opinion on this, but I see nothing wrong with guesting a no fishing lake as long as you dont treat it like a tip and leave your rubbish bagged up under a bush. I guest no fishing lakes from time to time but you would never know I had been there. Over the last few years though, Ive noticed an apparant increase in guesting/poaching anywhere, mainly by younger anglers with complete disregard for waters in general where guesting/poachers are concerned as they are hardly subtle about doing it on no fishing ponds, and dont seem to give a toss for other anglers because they also do it on lakes where people have paid to fish. I blame the trend on articles written by the names doing the guesting, I admitt it can get quite exiting and at times rewarding, if I sound hypercrtical then so be it, but a line has to be drawn somewhere and for me, it involves only guesting lakes where all anglers are not permitted to fish. I know in my own mind the lake and its residents will come to no harm by me spending a subtle night or two each year in their company, the only risk it to me if caught but guesting aint something I make a regular habit off.

[Carper90]

Smokey i understand your view, and i have another view people have their own opinions, but:

Dave Lane = Black mirror SSSI water (tresspassing)
Ritchie = Petty biggy club water (tresspassing)

Now tell me whats the difference.

I dont care about people have paid money and waited for years, thats not the point here the point is one gets praised as an angling great for catching this fish and another one that was "guested" and one gets slated and forced off the forum, I think that both catches are wrong and shouldnt be published in today magazines, because as hotshot says the younger newcomers are guesting alot regulary now and wrecking certain waters but can you blame them when you read magazines praising these anglers, and one magazine i read a few months ago gave you tips how to be avoided, just think all anglers that catch a fish while guesting without permission should be splashed across the magazines as a cheat but thats my view, and last post on this thead.

Carper90

[Hotshot]

Dave Lane = Black mirror SSSI water (tresspassing)
Ritchie = Petty biggy club water (tresspassing)

Now tell me whats the difference.

Massive difference
1- dave lane, tresspassing.....only
2-Richie, tresspassing, fishing the area of water that is regarded as a safe haven by anglers and fish, which is a lot easier to catch from than fishing the pond legaly, a lot easier. lying to anglers fishing legaly on the fishing bank, throwing the odd kilo of bait in as a decoy, and then telling them he's catching the fish from an unfancied swim, but all the time he's taking the easy route and denying other anglers a chance of catching the fish he is by foul means, then rubbing peoples faces in it by posting the pics, then initialy denying it all until there was no way out of the corner he had backed himself into.
What Richie did, affected the month of nights for people who gave up 4 weekends of good fishing time to do work parties, which would give them only 7 nights on the lake, what he did killed off the swims at the top end of the lake and caused many to unknowingly waste there time and holidays, not to mention money on bait and tackle. Dave lane bothered no one.
Richie and others like him had/have no respect for fello anglers and their fishing and in some cases the fish they wish to catch, lets hope they have/will at some point change their ways for the sake of angling.

[russ]

there is no difference , rules are rules and if you break them no matter who you are then you should suffer the consequences !

[Hotshot]

Dave did, I think he got caught and fined at least three times and also had court appearances, when I met him a few years ago he hadnt long been busted and was facing a £300 fine, but thats cheaper than many syndicates . But the ony one who suffered was him, not 30 other blokes

[russ]

Originally Posted by Hotshot

Dave did, I think he got caught and fined at least three times and also had court appearances, when I met him a few years ago he hadnt long been busted and was facing a £300 fine, but thats cheaper than many syndicates . But the ony one who suffered was him, not 30 other blokes

so dave lane is a convicted cheat then ?
why should he be kept in the spotlight then for younger anglers to look up to ?

[Hotshot]

We can go around in circles with this one, in my eyes Dave did no harm to anyone, the risk was to himself only and was his to take. He cheated no one out of catching any fish unlike some, I suspect you are not aware of how much effort and determination it takes to fish a water like the Mere, its far harder in every way, than a 30 minute walk along a stone path and pushing through 50yds of bushes then fishing the carps safe haven where you would expect most of the lakes population to be.
Dave is no cheat as far as the BM is concerned, he had no advantage over anyone by guesting/tresspassing call it what you want, everyone fishing the pond is in the same boat and up against it, they are all on level field, unlike when someon guests a reserve of a fishing lake.

[russ]

he still broke the rules though didnt he ?
if he did its not a good example for fishing at all , imo it just shows to youngsters that cheating is ok !
i suspect the only difference between richie and dave lane cheating is that richie doing it has affected you personally hotshot but that doesnt make what dave lane did any different , if its breaking rules then you cant slate one and not the other just because richies had more repercussions for you personally !

[salford flier]

Dear Oh Dear... I would say that the reputation of this water has been dragged around in the Sh*t far to many times over the years. Amazingly most of the posters have never even set foot on the banks, but deem it a worthwhile thread to add an insult or two, to guys that only have the gaffs best interest at heart. Takes all sorts as they say

[Hotshot]

Dam shame innit Mark, but you gotta take the rough with the smooth I guess !

Richie never affected me personally, I never fish the month of nights nor was busting him or anyone else personal. Richie broke every rule on the pond, fact, I know you were one of his biggest fans but....

Tell me, what rules are there on a no fishing lake, no one is supposed to be there, so there are'nt any apart from the one obvious one....although they are usualy baliffed from time to time correct ?
I guess roads have the same prinnciple, no speeding......and you would never break the speed limit would you because you not aloud, you never have......have you get over yourself. Your comparison between Richie and Dave hold no water, would it shock you if I told you most name anglers and a whole lot more break/bend rules I nearly cried when I found out

[salford flier]

Wouldn't bother biting mate.. I have sets of rods older than some of the mugs on here