Cold war 2?

[Dj13]

I didn't understand much about it the first time round.
Should we be worried about this lot or is just a load of properganda?
Or is it just hyped up media coverage as per the english press?

[PJW]

Have you noticed that the two main "objectors" to what the Russians have done just happen the be the UK and USA, noe lets try and get thhis into perspective......... these two are complianing about Russia entering a neighbouring "state" (USSR) who's record is not so clean and shiney, i'm surprised it took this long, are after all at this moment in time occupiying Afganistan and Iraq!
Until the UK and USA clean up their own act what gives them the right to dictate to others how to behave????????

Ok rant over, tin hat on, await incoming flak.

[Terminator]

not been following this but please dont tell me gordon brown has butted his nose in???
I think george bush loves all the warring and thought browny a little smarter than blair and thought he might keep his mouth shut...

[Dj13]

I think george bush loves all the warring and thought browny a little smarter than blair and thought he might keep his mouth shut... [/quote]

Bushy defo likes a good war!!! I think its Milliband doing the ranting not Brown but hes only the mouth of Brown. But I won't be going in any army any time soon thats for sure!!!! Bring back Maggie Thatcher with her sod em all attitude!

[Julian Grattidge]

Originally Posted by PJW

Ok rant over, tin hat on, await incoming flak.

About sums it up mate to be honest.

Just a war of words at the moment as far as the uk/us is concerned, though obviousley much for serious for the Georgians.

The whole thing has been rumbling along for a number of years now with the uk and us, this is just the latest phase. The Russians don't like being told what to do, especially by us, so will make a point of getting our backs up whenever they get the chance - and if it allows them to flex their muscles a bit in the process, so much the better.

It may escalate in political terms but I wouldn't worry about an invasion just yet. They can't afford to fuel their aircraft, let alone maintain their fleet of nucular subs, most of which are currently rotting in their naval bases. Saw a documentary a while back which showed the state most of their subs are in, and showed how power blackouts across Russia meant they couldest even afford to keep the power on to keep the reactors cooled - now that is something to worry about!!

[carp junkie]

i wouldnt be to concerned with a cold war we should be more concerned about the state of our own country these days which has become more of a dictatorship than any communist state has ever been !

[AndyB]

Originally Posted by carp junkie

i wouldnt be to concerned with a cold war we should be more concerned about the state of our own country these days which has become more of a dictatorship than any communist state has ever been !

Couldn't agree more! And in order to keep that dictatorship sharp one needs to ensure that its citizens are kept in a constant state of perceived fear!

Fear and its manipulation helps keep people in line and silent, problem reaction, solution is the game:

Create a 'problem', the public panics (reaction) and then offer the solution you had up your sleeve from the start.

Numerous instances of this public manipulation can be seen throughout history, the original cold war and fear about 'reds under the beds' etc paved the way for nuclear armament to put the public's mind at rest!

The gulf war in all its incarnations made it a lot simpler for human rights to be removed and everyone to be labelled as a potential 'terrorist', the solution being a phased introduction of ID cards and the criminalisation of normal everyday citizens for daring to exercise their freedom of speech or protest in the UK!

The list goes on and I wonder what the purpose of this latest bout of mind control will be.........watch this space, rant over!

[richk]

Originally Posted by PJW

Have you noticed that the two main "objectors" to what the Russians have done just happen the be the UK and USA, noe lets try and get thhis into perspective......... these two are complianing about Russia entering a neighbouring "state" (USSR) who's record is not so clean and shiney, i'm surprised it took this long, are after all at this moment in time occupiying Afganistan and Iraq!
Until the UK and USA clean up their own act what gives them the right to dictate to others how to behave????????

Ok rant over, tin hat on, await incoming flak.

Spot on Mate ...Best put our own house in order first and stop telling Russia, Iraq and Korea etc what they cant and can do FFS its a joke and if they want to get involved in another Country then have a opo at Mugabe! but saying that theres no oil or Gas to be had there!

[Dj13]

and if they want to get involved in another Country then have a opo at Mugabe! but saying that theres no oil or Gas to be had there![/quote]

I would love the uk to actually do something about mugabe its disgusting what he has done to other people in his contry. It makes me angry to watch it on tv. Why can't we do something about it. Hes an actual monster!! I remember Jack Straw shaking his hand a while back then someone told Straw who he was it was priceless!! Like you say though there isn't any oil there is there.

[dropback]

i think the russians are just tryin to reassert themselves..and lets face it theyre cookin on gas and switchin anyones off who they feel,milliband should keep his ****in trap shut,him and the rest of tiny england,strange to think that us and usa like sortin out crap elsewhere yet our own back yard shows more killins each day . .the worlds a reet confusing place...bet the starvin africans are saying.." go get stuck in and nuke each other yer bastuards..then when all settles we`ll hike in for some tinned foods..proper nosh..wonder wtf they were fighting for !"

[carp junkie]

Originally Posted by Dj13

I would love the uk to actually do something about mugabe its disgusting what he has done to other people in his contry. It makes me angry to watch it on tv. Why can't we do something about it. Hes an actual monster!! I remember Jack Straw shaking his hand a while back then someone told Straw who he was it was priceless!! Like you say though there isn't any oil there is there.

but who are we to say whats right and wrong
our record is up there with the worst of them

[darkside]

bush only sticks his nose into other countries problems when there is oil at stake. war is money.

[Dj13]

Originally Posted by carp junkie

but who are we to say whats right and wrong
our record is up there with the worst of them

Well I don't know about you mr Junkie but I've never slaughtered hundreds of people or even tortured anyone either? Although I have benn known to have done a bit of kareoke in the past!

[PJW]

Originally Posted by Dj13

Well I don't know about you mr Junkie but I've never slaughtered hundreds of people or even tortured anyone either? Although I have benn known to have done a bit of kareoke in the past!

India, Africa, Hong Kong, Afganistan (twice at least) just a few that spring to mind. Remember the "British Empire". This country has a human rights record that is second to non, they don't call it the Black Hole of Calcutta for nothing......thousands killed by "Empire" troops in one town alone. GB not as white as white as would like people to think.