ID licences

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by petehodgy

its only my opinion but i think we should get better value for money.

You think you're being robbed? The naiivity of some posters makes me shudder in the knowledge I might be set up fishing next to them at some point...perhaps seeing as though the smell of the coffee aint waking you up then pouring the fokkin stuff down your pants might do the trick?

Look at the Mersey,its now infinitely better than it was in years gone by,just as an example. Think this is due to the concience of industrial directors getting all moral? It aint the river Avon by any means but its a vast improvement.

There will always be examples of bodies not doing as they should,eg two blokes in suits doing nothing about a pollution issue-fair enough for using it as a reference but there are so many examples of constructive actions from the EA which as always go ignored/uncredited. $h1t sticks and unfortunately its never the good deeds that attain publicity its the bad things,as often or seldom they occur.

True colours are starting to show from these licence threads,it seems some folk expect fishing to be completely free and feel like they've been taken dry from the rear for having to fork out £25 a year. I know a few EA bailiffs who graft their back wheels off for pathetic pay and do long hours such is their devotion to the sport and what does it get them in return?

Next time you're sat on the bank with a brew in your hand listening to the birds tweeting,the fresh air,the sun on your face and clean water to fish in,ask yourself if its worth £25 a year. If you truly feel robbed blind then do yourself and other bank dwellers a favour...pack up your gear and **** off home and watch Jeremy Kyle.Plenty of stuff on there to get upset about and one more vacant peg for the grateful to take advantage of....

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[Barbz]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

True colours are starting to show from these licence threads,it seems some folk expect fishing to be completely free and feel like they've been taken dry from the rear for having to fork out £25 a year. I know a few EA bailiffs who graft their back wheels off for pathetic pay and do long hours such is their devotion to the sport and what does it get them in return?

Next time you're sat on the bank with a brew in your hand listening to the birds tweeting,the fresh air,the sun on your face and clean water to fish in,ask yourself if its worth £25 a year. If you truly feel robbed blind then do yourself and other bank dwellers a favour...pack up your gear and **** off home and watch Jeremy Kyle.Plenty of stuff on there to get upset about and one more vacant peg for the grateful to take advantage of....

See what ur saying and agree, but like some ppl, I think that the rod licence should only be relevent for those that fish the public waterways and rivers, those that are members of private members clubs, should not be subject to such charges in my opinion.

Still i fork out my 25 -50 per yer as the law requires but it doesnt mean I agree with it, think paying 40% tax on everything I earn entitles me to an opinion as to what extra charges i should have to pay for my "free time"

i dont see footballers or rugby players having to pay an annual tax to be able to play there sport!

[Boilie Stop]

Just got mine online...easier than putting a spod on a marker at 140 yards No dead easy really took two minutes...
Think there should be a system of a Photo added which would prevent people borrowing others etc...

Anyway that's one job down this morning....now i need some moon boots for the weekend's snow

[bloo]

Alot of words for a small subject , no need to go on about people not earning alot for what they do for a living ,i know a couple of people who work for the enviroment agency and they get paid quite well so something is not correct in the wording ,,,,,

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by bloo

Alot of words for a small subject , no need to go on about people not earning alot for what they do for a living ,i know a couple of people who work for the enviroment agency and they get paid quite well so something is not correct in the wording ,,,,,

Apologies for boring you bloo,I'll keep it short and sweet in future,fekk it I'll put it n 2 txt tlk so its quikr 2 read...

Theres every need to go on about it fella,cos some folk simply are not seeing the bigger picture here,an EA bailiffs wage issue isn't relevent to this particular debate? Er....If they were all on thirty grand a year for walking the bank I'd be moaning about the price too,but as I personally know two EA bailiffs who are not at the bottom of the ladder and have told me their annual income I'd say theres nothing wrong with my wording...

I aint saying they're all on sub standard wages as obviously those at the top of the tree (who incidently are more than likely the ones who don't get their feet dirty and haven't a clue as to the base issues) and I agree there should be some restructure in whether their pay reflects their job description.

However you nor I sit at their desk week in week out so we are not privvy to what they do/don't do. I see it akin to looking at these aged politicians who look like they're asleep when having their daily meetings at Parliament on ridiculous salaries,face value suggests they are being paid for a cat nap but who knows what they do behind closed doors... (probably drink scotch hence falling asleep,but thats another issue...)

[bloo]

exactly like i said the first time!!!

[petehodgy]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

You think you're being robbed? The naiivity of some posters makes me shudder in the knowledge I might be set up fishing next to them at some point...perhaps seeing as though the smell of the coffee aint waking you up then pouring the fokkin stuff down your pants might do the trick?

Look at the Mersey,its now infinitely better than it was in years gone by,just as an example. Think this is due to the concience of industrial directors getting all moral? It aint the river Avon by any means but its a vast improvement.

There will always be examples of bodies not doing as they should,eg two blokes in suits doing nothing about a pollution issue-fair enough for using it as a reference but there are so many examples of constructive actions from the EA which as always go ignored/uncredited. $h1t sticks and unfortunately its never the good deeds that attain publicity its the bad things,as often or seldom they occur.

True colours are starting to show from these licence threads,it seems some folk expect fishing to be completely free and feel like they've been taken dry from the rear for having to fork out £25 a year. I know a few EA bailiffs who graft their back wheels off for pathetic pay and do long hours such is their devotion to the sport and what does it get them in return?

Next time you're sat on the bank with a brew in your hand listening to the birds tweeting,the fresh air,the sun on your face and clean water to fish in,ask yourself if its worth £25 a year. If you truly feel robbed blind then do yourself and other bank dwellers a favour...pack up your gear and **** off home and watch Jeremy Kyle.Plenty of stuff on there to get upset about and one more vacant peg for the grateful to take advantage of....

please read my thread before posting your reply. never once did i say the e.a bailiffs dont work hard for there small pay they get (i know they do) what i did say was we do not as a paying body get value for money out of the e.a.I do all types of fishing coarse,game,sea.(yes i am willing to pay a sea lic). i have fished lots of rivers and lakes all over this country and have seen some of the e.a's handy work like staightening of bends (river teme worc) total tree removal (river wensum norfolk, parts of river dane ches) the allowing of millions of gallons of water abstraction of our lowland rivers (river waveny) only for them to slit up and then foot the bill when we have floods .please also do not get sucked into there 'we have cleaned the mersey' policy majority of our northern rivers have become cleaner because of our industrial demise there is far far less industrial pollution going into our rivers than 30 years ago 'fact'.now the e.a. over the past few years have improved greatly they are now consulting fishing clubs when and how much pruning (flood defence work) they are doing this i applaude them for.they have also started to do more stocking due to cormorants.like i said at the start of this thread the bailiffs do work hard. i agree with you totally 'fishing' is great value for money but i bet when you total all the rod lic fees i bet its (some carpers have to pay for two).close to 40million in revenue.you can have a cup of my coffee any time im setting up next to you lol

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by petehodgy

please read my thread before posting your reply. never once did i say the e.a bailiffs dont work hard for there small pay they get (i know they do) what i did say was we do not as a paying body get value for money out of the e.a.I do all types of fishing coarse,game,sea.(yes i am willing to pay a sea lic). i have fished lots of rivers and lakes all over this country and have seen some of the e.a's handy work like staightening of bends (river teme worc) total tree removal (river wensum norfolk, parts of river dane ches) the allowing of millions of gallons of water abstraction of our lowland rivers (river waveny) only for them to slit up and then foot the bill when we have floods .please also do not get sucked into there 'we have cleaned the mersey' policy majority of our northern rivers have become cleaner because of our industrial demise there is far far less industrial pollution going into our rivers than 30 years ago 'fact'.now the e.a. over the past few years have improved greatly they are now consulting fishing clubs when and how much pruning (flood defence work) they are doing this i applaude them for.they have also started to do more stocking due to cormorants.like i said at the start of this thread the bailiffs do work hard. i agree with you totally 'fishing' is great value for money but i bet when you total all the rod lic fees i bet its (some carpers have to pay for two).close to 40million in revenue.you can have a cup of my coffee any time im setting up next to you lol

Some valid points there fella,I wasn't suggesting you'd said the EA bailiffs don't earn their monies or work hard, merely other posters pointing out that certain EA staff are on a high wage therefore seemed to be tarring them all with the high income brush which is unfair and untrue.

Theres always going to be two sides of this particular fence and it hurts your middle rod/swingers to stand on both sides of it, some will hands down say that the whole rod licence 'thing' is a tax,a rip off, call it what you will. Others who have some consideration for their sport and can see the workings of it with regard to pollution aspects for example will happily hand over their money and look at it as a form of investment into their pastime.

I'm not saying the EA is the font of all holiness and perfect,nothing ever is in this day n age, but my point is that our waters would be in a much worse state without them.

Recent reports of East Europeans helping themselves to fish stocks is another problem that is being treated with SOME seriousness by the EA- an instance local to me last year had arisen on an unbailiffed water,fish being taken blatantly. The police were informed,but they were far too 'busy' with such a trivial issue as a few cods being taken from the canal and it went unaddressed. A call to a local EA officer was made as a secondary measure and it was treated accordingly. I'm not gonna waste key ink in laying any more examples down of what the EA do/don't do,as a lot of it seems to make no difference to some peoples attitude in general so I'll leave it there.

Just seems a little hypocritical when I see people who'll not bat an eyelid at buying three shiny reels,rods or must have buzzers and then get all sour for needing to buy a licence or two*,akin to buying a Porsche and then bitching about having to put road tax on it!

(*you don't NEED three rods to catch carp so although I agree that having to buy two licences is somewhat unfair to carp anglers that is a luxury you have to pay for at present,if the extra £25 is such a bank breaker then don't buy the third rod/reel/buzzer!)

[HAWTHORN]

those that are members of private members clubs, should not be subject to such charges in my opinion.

Bit short sighted don`t you think?

When your private club/syndicate suffers a D.O. and your carp start gasping and going belly up, who you gonna call? If your fish are sick what are you going to do? who are you going to ask for advice? Illegal stockings, from home and abroad, who is going to stop that?

Perhaps part of the problem is that people don`t realise what services the E.A. provide for your £25.
If you want advice on setting up a fishery, stocking levels etc, management, all this available from the E.A. for £25.00, If you want the same advice from a fisheries consultant, £500.00?

You may not speak with the E.A. yourself but you can rest assured that all the clubs in the NW have fisheries managers/officers/netsmen and they are in constant contact with the E.A.

Begrudging paying £25.00 for the management and care of our lakes rivers ponds and fish, your having a laugh arn`t you?

Originally Posted by cpt

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I'll second that.

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[aiming430]

apparently the new style licence will be cheaper than the current one!

might stop a few people moaning

[BigpushyMcphee]

I see what Mr Reed is saying as some know last year the Lymm waters suffered from de-oxygen problems without the help of EA a lot of prized fish would now be dead, they where so helpful checking the water twice daily so to me this alone warrants the cost of my rod license