Hinged Stiff Rig - Pop Ups

[Chesh]

all,

having a bit of a dilema..yes i have had a few of them the past few weeks, this one though surrounding my pop up presentation.

have used nothing fancy in the past, 8-10 inches of various hooklink materials, and a pop up! simple, very little interest though (apart from barry the bream) has led me to become dissillushioned (spelling?/?/? ) in the rig

ben reading up on the hinged stiff rig, tried tying it and really made a mess of it!

anyone got any tips? ideas? on effectively tying this rig?

Chesh

get on the shot rig mate its deadly not literally tho if it picks it up its nailed

[James Furness]

Originally Posted by carpologist

get on the shot rig mate its deadly not literally tho if it picks it up its nailed

Yeah i've been using this rig recently and havn't missed a run on it yet! Like Carpologist says if the carp picks your rig up they really seem to struggle to get rid of it as the weight of the shot on the hook drops the hook down towards the bottom lip as soon as its in the mouth!

[Blue]

I know what you mean Chesh, it's a very fiddly rig to tie. I take it you mean the hooklink section your on about? It gets very difficult when you want a short pop up section.

The shortest I can get the pop up link is about 1 1/2 inches, after about 5 attempts! When you buy them ready made, the knots are 'fused' some how, I don't know how they do it though. The only other thought I had was to use a crimping tool to do the knots, not tried it yet. In theory, you should get a short hooklink with one of these.

I totally sympathize with you though Chesh, and also, the bigger and chunkier your fingers are, the harder those dam little knots are to tie. So I'm open to any suggestions aswell, 'cus I struggle to tie them to.

[Joephus]

I will give you a tip or two next time i see you chesh. Or if you come on msn as its a tad difficult to describe all the bits.

The problem people have with this rig is its all about the tiny details, tie it a bit wrong and it can work against you, tie it right and its one of the best hooking rigs around. If not the best widely known one.

People also tend to substitue materials which doesnt help. For the boom its not the worst thing but the up right section can really only be done with 15lb bristle filament. Give me a call if its desperate chesh.

[Joephus]

There is a different knot to tie which means you can get a 0.5inche hooklink if needed with no problem, although thats probably a bit too short, lip hooking everywhere.

[James Furness]

The wychwood crimps are excellent for making short stiff rigs. I've used them for a while and never had any problem with them slipping or anything. Much easier and quicker than tying fiddly little knots!!

[Chesh]

would someone like to elaborate on the 'shot rig'? or am i really beign stupid and its blatantly obvious!

the crimps hhhmmmm interesting, not something i have ever used before, have heard good things though but i suppose its just a confidence thing....

[James Furness]

The shot rig is basically where you attach a shot via a small loop of bait floss onto your hook which acts as the counter-weight to your pop-up. I usually use a no.4 shot and then trim my pop-up till it sinks slowly.

Try this link for more detail on the rig:

http://www.korda.co.uk/rigs/rigs.html

i actualy fit the shot onto the hair behind the boile to eliminate the need for extra bits

[Joephus]

The rig phil is describing is intended for a different purpose than the one other people are describing i think.

Phils on with the shot on the hair is a balanced bait rig.

The shot on the hook rig is where it is attached via a small loop of braid around the hook so it can slide up to the barb. This one makes the point of the hook heavier to aid hooking.

[IanB]

Not a rig I use a lot but ive tied them up and found it easy enough.

1. Take 6 inchs of clear amnesia or a stiff flouro. (I use a stiff rigger hook from esp but any straight eyed hook with a big eye will do), tie up a knotless knot but leave a 1 inch tag of line where the hair would normally be.

2.Thread a small rig ring onto the tag and then take the tag back through the hook eye to form a "D" use a cig lighter to blob the tag off at the correct length to get a tightish "D " shape.

3. Place a large rig ring on the other end and tie a figure of 8 loop with the rig ring held within the loop, i find this way i can tie this section down to only 1 inch long if reguired. TYou should now have a nice neat 1 -2 inch rig end.

4. Tie a second piece of amnesia (6-8 inches) to the rig ring on the loop, i find a 4 turn grinner nice and secure. the other end i attach to a ring swivel but you can tie another figure of 8 loop with a swivel in it if you prefer.

rig is finished add heavy metal behind the rig ring on the small section to balance. (oh and dont forget to tie a pop up on to the ring on the "D" !)

[mul]

[quote=James Furness]The shot rig is basically where you attach a shot via a small loop of bait floss onto your hook which acts as the counter-weight to your pop-up. I usually use a no.4 shot and then trim my pop-up till it sinks slowly.

The shot on the hook rig is something I've tried to 'talk' myself into using a few times - I like the idea of 'forcing' the hookpoint downwards to wards the bottom lip. The concept is great when the rig is in a fishes mouth but what about when it's not? Surely this 'forcing down the hookpoint' also means that there is a far greater chance of picking up crap off the lake bed and imparing getting a good hookhold? (especially with a critically balanced bait which will flutter round when fish are near)

- or am I getting something wrong regarding the way it's set up/overcomplicating things (I think this is probably the case!!!)

[Joephus]

1. Dont use a knotless knot as it doesnt give the nicest finish and makes the whole thing very difficult to tie very short. Cant remember the other knot but was in carpology a while ago.

2. Use a small swivel at the bristle filament. When first used it had a ring but a swivel offers much better hooking potential (IMHO)

3. DO the blobbing bit etc

4. Get a lenght of amenisa and tie a firgure 8 loop knot to the stiff section. Then tie a another one with a large swivel in it at the other end of the boom.

5. Add heavy metal to top half of small swivel on stiff section.

6. Possibly some of the most important bits. Curve bristle filament using thumb. And place baiting needle handles in amenisea loops and stretch it straight.

Perfecto

[wemfish]

Originally Posted by James Furness

The shot rig is basically where you attach a shot via a small loop of bait floss onto your hook which acts as the counter-weight to your pop-up. I usually use a no.4 shot and then trim my pop-up till it sinks slowly.

Try this link for more detail on the rig:

http://www.korda.co.uk/rigs/rigs.html

I came up with this idea about 1990 . . . .
http://www.hawkcarpnews.com/rigs.htm,
With the Korda one, having the shot on the point will reduce the effectiveness . . . . . .