wacking a lead to the horizon

[Carper90]

booth wheres that pic from, is it compstall?

[Blue]

There's been a feature in carp world running for the past 3-4 months focusing on long range fishing. The best thing to do Ginge is read/research as much as you can on long range tactics and simply get out and practice.

Most of it is technique and gettin the balance right with your rod, reel, mainline and lead. By that I mean, it's no good having a 3.5 test curve rod, 8lb mainline, 4oz lead, shock leader etc, then only use a little feeder fishing reel, so it's important you've thought it through to make sure you get it right.

Once you do get it right though mate, it's amazing what little effort it takes to actually cast 100yds when you've got the right gear. I've seen people literally running down the bank and launch a lead all of 70yds!! Yet the guys who can cast wont move from the spot they cast from apart from a step forward as weight is transfered onto the front leg.

[Hotshot]

Originally Posted by Ginge

allright
at the moment am just using just about a 3foot off leadcore with a leadclip with a 2 1/2oz tornament lead and my rig to cast a say around 70 80 yards but a could do with maybe hitting 100yards maybe ano its all about tecnique and learning to blast it that far but its there anythin that would improve the terminal tackle like the size off the lead using a shockleader???

while fishing the lake a lad was sayin he finds casting better with an inline lead system??? but the lake it fairly siltity and that could drag the rig into the silt if dont feather it down and it only really shallow all over the lake as well

o yeah and 12lb krystonite mainline on my reals

what am looking for it advice on the pros and cons off using differant lead systems shockleads etc not just use this system this way a wont really learn jack **** like that will a!!

thanks for any advice
thanks ginge

You have'n t said what rod/reel combo your using, with a 12ft 2.75 test rod and a normal baitrunner and 12lb line, you should with practice be able to cast beyond 100yds. If you have a "big-pit" reel with say a prodigy 12ft 3lb test rod 120yds using 15lb straight through with a 3oz lead using typical tubing/clip ect should not be a problem. You just need practice, 100yds aint that far at all, get hold of a lazer guided distance finder, expensive but you will be in for a shock. Someone has mentioned the Casting articles in C/WORLD, read and digest carefully, the casting stance plays a big part.

[booth91]

Originally Posted by Carper90

booth wheres that pic from, is it compstall?

yeh it is did abit of casting before the crowds turned up

[Joephus]

If your actaully bothered about the distances your hitting then its worth giving it the big one and clipping up and then measuring it out around two measured banksticks.

I was fishing a decent sized mere last winter and was giving it a good chuck with 15lb GR60 (not the most sensible casting line) 3oz lead, leadcore, 3.25lb NGs and Tournies and thought even in the cross wind i was hitting 100 yards. Measured it at home and was hitting 80yards! Defo made me think about my casting and setup if i did need those extra yards. Some of the lads on there were spodding at 120 which boggles my mind.

Now hotshot can really chuck a lead so would take his advice!

[Hotshot]

15lb synergy, 16lb pro clear both excellent for long chucking with no leader, the pro clear has the edge, smash 4oz leads 140-150yds regularly and dont crack off, depends on the rod and technique though. Mine is a 12ft8 berkley b1 xlr which has a soft tip and semi through action (bit like an amorphous with slightly more poke).
Spodding 120yds aint that difficult Joe, watched loads of people spod at range and they seem to rush their casting (I know its boring) when it comes to putting the hookbait out they spend ages in comparison waiting for the "moment" getting their stance and posture right, composing themselves. If you take the time to do it when spodding your distance will increase. practice spodding at long range (somewhere quiet WELL away from others an emty lake preferably) a spod rod is generaly harder to compress than most range rods, after half an hour or so, try winding your range rods up, it will feel like a match rod in comparison to a spod rod. Read the c/w articles and then practice, it will take time but its worth it.

[LeAtHeR CaRp]

what is the best shockleader material to use? and how many turns of shocky should be on the reel? i have torrix's and the eyes are quite small (in comparison to other rods i have owned) so i want something which will form a small knot

[Hotshot]

Hope they aint bainsey built, he's very miss-guided with his "small eys" theory.
I generaly preffer 4 turns of leader on the spool, if I use a leader, the faster I can get onto the light line the better if its open water fishing. If there's any amount of weed or the odd snag, its 15lb straight through or tuff sh1 t I cant reach em Try the fox tapered leaders 12lb-35lb, you want about 3ft of the 12lb end left on, so cut off the rest, tie it to your main line using a tournament knot (very strong and tiny, leave 10mm tags on they go through the rings better) wind it onto your spoo so you have 4-5 turns and cut of the excess. Should leave you with a 20ft ish leader 12lb- 28lb ish.

[Ginge]

the rod and reel set up am using are dawia emblems 5500s and warrior xts 3.0lb

[Blue]

Practice mate, you should be hittin' 100 + with that gear. Depending on your water ie snags or not, go as low as possible with your mainline. I wouldn't go any lower than 8lb though. I use Krystons Quick silver in 25lb for my shock leaders, that with 8lb mainline gets a lead out far enough for me. With those rods mate, start with a 3oz lead mate and see how it feels, if you don't feel confident with that, practice with a 2.5 oz lead to start with.

I've always used a lead clip as opposed to an inline or helicopter set up, it's just what I feel confident with and I've had very little trouble with them.

[grubby pants]

As blue says 100 yards using 12lb mono should be no problem with those rods. With practice you should be able to do it with a few yards spare.

Your leads may be a little light for the job, perhaps they are not fully compressing the blank give 3oz a try.

Also, sometimes you can try too hard. Unless you are very experienced a lead blasted may not travel as far as one casualy flicked. Its all in the timing. Rather than thrashing it, try and cast smoothly to 70 yards and then just creep up on it.

[mt-ed]

Originally Posted by booth91

i no tricky has had some casting tution from mark hutchy i think. so he might be the man to ask as heard hes slinging it now!
it seems to have rubbed off on me and adam as well!

That's one hell of a cast to reach the far side of the canal matey!!!!
Keith

[booth91]

its not me its my pal adam. thought id take a few pics while he was practicing! why not!

[skilledhandz]

The rod and reel you are using are good for 110 in the right hands.The lead set up should not be inline for distance.The helicopter will give you the most but a pendant will also go a fair way.You have to find the best casting weight which might not be the most the rods will cast.I would think around 2.75 oz will be best.Do not use 12 pound line straight through for this distance its not 100% safe up it to 15.The lines i would recommend are Trilene,soft steel and bullet.You will increase distance with a shock leader and 8 pound Diawa sensor if fishing open water but learn to get maximum distance with the above set up first.You must learn how to use your hips on the cast and also to pull down with the arm holding the butt end of the rod.Most anglers only use one arm to cast and the other to balance.The length of the drop is important this will also affect distance along with the ability to compress the rod to its maximum.Look up to the horizon before casting and thats were your aiming.After the cast keep the rod pointing at the lead and follow it down into the water lessening resistance.Grease lightning on the line will also give you an extra metre or so.OR get a set of Century 3.5 SPS like mine.180 + with braid.

[grubby pants]

Originally Posted by skilledhandz

OR get a set of Century 3.5 SPS like mine.180 + with braid.

Perhaps not such a good idea. If you can't get near to the potential of a lesser rod then you are hardly going to be able to compress a 3.5 SPS. When I changed rods I found that I could initally cast further with my old cheapo 2 3/4tc rods, the very rods they had replaced.

I could fully compress my old rods, but it took a little practice to do the same with the superior replacements.