When you cast out do you??

[smokey]

Originally Posted by daveabbott

but say using pva nuggets does it not end up right next to the lead like in the pic? its all about confidece this, i need to watch those Korda Dvds i think

or just big bags like!

If you were to use a braided rig then you wudnt use foam mate , but as most braids come coated they add a lill stiffness to the rig . so when the foam disolved the rigity of the rig pushes your hook away from the lead ..AND YOU DONE !

smokey

[Bet]

If you were to use a braided rig then you wudnt use foam mate

I would it gives me added confidence and I pull back when using nuggets on silty waters compress them tightly so they end up looking like a button and it will give you extra time to get things sorted

[smokey]

Originally Posted by bet

I would it gives me added confidence and I pull back when using nuggets on silty waters compress them tightly so they end up looking like a button and it will give you extra time to get things sorted

Yea i can see why you would do that but still ...if that hook links wraps around debre on the bottom no matter how much foam you have ..u aint catchin lol lol

smokey

[gazza]

I never pull back after the cast, But what I do before and during the cast gives me confidence in my presentation. Before I cast out I nick on a small PVA bag, this should ensure your hook point remains debris free, and like others have already said feather the cast, and just before the lead is about to hit the water stop the cast completely. This should force the bag forward of the lead and then I let it sink on a tight line which should ensure the hooklink and bag stay away from the lead.

[Jay&Silent Bob]

I pull it back and have not had a problem yet but i suppose there is alway's a first time!

[kevw]

Use a stiff nylon hooklink on a ring swivel, always falls away from the lead.
If bottom debris is an issue ( ) fish a slow sinking bait, no need for rig foam then.

Like most have said, depends on the water and I did pull back every cast on a couple of waters where the bottom was clear of weed. If I don't pull back I do tighten up to the lead without moving it to straighten the tubing/leadcore then slacken right off to let it sink.

[carp catcher]

what i tend to do is once ive casted as it is about to hit the water trap the line on your spool and let the lead fall to the bottom then it will be nicely presentated depending on how bad the silt is but thats what i do and it produces 1 big amount of fish for me, campared to dragging it bak or leaving it still. lee.

[tanlan]

Originally Posted by Jay&Silent Bob

I pull it back and have not had a problem yet but i suppose there is alway's a first time!

yeah but what if the wife/girlfriend/parents catches you - then you've got a problem. That's before before you've mentioned a stiff link

[silverbirch]

The depth of water is fairly important with regard to the stopping or feathering of a cast. In deep water (say 8 feet +) the bait should fall close to the weight anyway, whether you 'check' the cast or not. The tangling problem tends to occur during the flight of the cast rather than it's descent through the water, braid hairs are the worst culprit for wrapping back up the line..leadcore or rig tube do reduce the problem...and I find flouro links least likely to tangle...not wishing to make every one paranoid , I suspect lots of tangled presentations go unawares as they sort them selves out on the retreive.

I also think that the Korda style swivel and ring more apt to allowing the hooklink to catch above the lead, whether with a stiff link or not.

The technology must be at hand to manufacture a radically tapering hooklink that goes from say 50lb and stiff down to 10lb and soft over 6 or 12 inches like a fly leader, which is rigidly attached to the bomb which could reduce the problem.

Sorry this has strayed from the original question a bit.

[Jay&Silent Bob]

Originally Posted by tanlan

yeah but what if the wife/girlfriend/parents catches you - then you've got a problem. That's before before you've mentioned a stiff link

Not bothered about the wife but if the girlfriend catches me she might be a bit put out

[Wooly]

I never pull back (even when fishing?). On Top Pool I am trying to get my lead buried in the silt leaving just the last inch or two of the hooklink sticking out of the silt. My Rig tube has a flying backlead glued on the end, so hopefully all 2 foot of my rig tube is also in the silt as well. On the rare occassions when on the right peg my backlead gets the last 10 feet of mainline in the silt as well. Pulling back would ruin the whole effect.

On my recent French trip I never pulled back whilst fishing over several inches of leaf litter. I just feathered the cast in. On the occassions when no run happened winding in always resulted in leaves being picked up on the hook point. I was convinced that this occurred as the lead was pulled along the bottom as I started to retrieve. Pulling back in my opinion would have created this effect every time.

[Deano]

Mostly GENTLY pull back as i feel it helps to straighten the hooklink...have done so on silty bottoms and bottoms covered in leaves....just works for me as i prefer or should I say seem to get more runs on supple braid as opposed to the coated braids that seem to be more popular nowadays. Can see why it has been said that using foam with supply braid could cause tangles..in theory it works but I have have done so and not suffered tangles.On the odd occasion that I dont pull back the rig has sometimes come in tangled..as it has when feathering down the cast...not when using coated braids though. The only time I would not pull back is if fishing in weed for obvious reasons...I'd probably use some sort of bag then anyway.One reason why I pull back is because most of the time I do use a stringer or mesh bag to avoid tangles but still pull back a little just to ensure the hooklink is outstretched...thinking about it a hooklink that isn't straight is probably more effective from a hooking perspective...so what I've just said is a load of rubbish

[Julian Grattidge]

Interesting debate this, though I’m surprised nobody has mentioned the value of feature finding before you cast out at all!

Reading some of the replies above it reads as if some are casting out not really knowing what they are actually fishing onto?

The first thing I do when setting up – be it a swim I fish week in week out, or one I’ve never fished before, is to make several casts to the desired spot and drag the lead back across the bottom to build up a picture of what’s going on down on the lake bed. If there are any snags, twigs, or leaves you will soon find them, and what you discover by feature finding will dictate how (or indeed if) you should put a bait out on the spot.

I will often make as many as ten tentative casts to the spot I intend to fish in order to work out exactly what is going on under the surface, so I know it like the back of my hand, thus, when I actually place the baited rod on it, I can sit back without ever having to worry about what might be going on down there, as the prior feature finding has told me everything I need to know.

As for pulling back, I do it on nearly every cast, but only the slightest tug to straighten the hooklink. I usually feather the cast and feel the weight hit bottom, then just nudge it back. Never a worry about snags, etc, as I always know the spot is clear as a bell.

Never use the foam personally, have tried but just don’t like it.

J

[Stig]

What do i do after ive cast out ?

Stand back in marvel if it goes to the exact spot i intended

[Jay&Silent Bob]

Originally Posted by Stig

What do i do after ive cast out ?

Stand back in marvel if it goes to the exact spot i intended

Sounds like me that