bait boats

[richk]

Originally Posted by IanB

Ill tell a short true tale hope its not to long and dull..........

May 2008 i was on sandhurst with 14 mates. a couple were using boats, i wasnt. I had 2 carp on my first morning after a blank night, 28+ and 32lb 10oz. Both the takes came off one rod on one spot 30 yards out and on boilies.

I had a large bucket of hemp with me and a few tigers and decided it would be a could idea to bait up with this lot on a different spot to encourage takes on my right hand rod. Problem was i had anglers left and right of me and to spod out the hemp would disturb their swims. Matey 2 swims down offered to put the hemp out on his boat so as not to disturb the others swims. I uneasily agreed to this, (must have been the lager) he then told me to stick the rig on the boat and he,d send it out with the hemp. I couldnt do that, i firmly declined the offer and insisted on casting the rig 60 yards out to the marker which i did. (not enough lager)

20 minutes later it rattled off and i landed a 29lb common. I cant bring myself to value that capture of that very nice fish the same as the others caught on the trip.

end of tale................

thats my one and only experience of a bait boat.

I understand what you mean Ian and agree its your choice to decide on the worthiness of the Capture. But it could have also gone the other way i.e. You Spod out Kill the swims either side and your own as well = Result No 29lb Common, which goes to prove that with a bit of thought a Bait Boat can be usefull as people who have them do not always send rigs out in them as some of us use them to bait up with the minimum of disturbance. I certainly know which method I would use to get 10K of Particle out there.

Used Sensibly by Sensible anglers they are a great tool but in the hands idiots and they are an absolute nightmare.

[smokey]

brilliant biz , thats a post i could happly live with and agree with ,..... not for you but each to there own ....... i feal we made progress there me old china lol

and iam sure terry does only use it in certain sitiuations but we will never know ......

you stay away from boat waters and i stay away from spod waters lol ..... shame we may never get the chance to meet mate lol ......

thank you for your posts though biz , and others , it does make a change talking about boats as opposed to the usual .


smokey

[daveabbott]

Originally Posted by smokey

hahaha and as sated terry hearn makes a living out of fishing and you all {lose phrase} buy his books and read his articles lol .... i understand you fealings dave i realy do but the hair rig was cutting corners when it was invented , its was invented to make catching carp that bit easyer by hooking a fish effectivly - so if thats the case both you and i cut corners and cheat every time we go lol i cant see an argument that stands up towards boats as cheating lol ... as its a personal view ....but i understand the comments about them been a bad thing in some hands .

just because somethings made easyer does not mean its cheating , if so il have to pm Nike , they claim to make the most light weight running shoes avalible , if there lighter then people mite run faster in the olympics ..... and cheating is allowed ...... once again that last comments a daft one , but can be used on any product that claimes to make the job easyer ......

and finaly i must not be a man cause i use an electric saw for my DIY ..... short cut i suppose , but i should use a hand saw instead

once again another daft comment , but its just the same as how you interpritate using a boat dave ....

take this post in jest of course but iam still hard pushed to see the cheating aspect when a boats used correctly and leagly ?????

any more comments or anologies that people want to use iam happy to listen and to comment .

smokey

Dude theres a massive difference in having a pair of light trainers than having a battery powered pair of trainers the difference would be between cheating and not cheating

Come on you surely gotta agree with me when i say it takes the skill out of the sport.

Yes its quicker and accurate, but its a model boat for god sake not a fishing rod, the hair rig thats completely out of context, its like saying that a boilies cheating???? or anything at all we use.

[Biz]

Originally Posted by smokey

brilliant biz , thats a post i could happly live with and agree with ,..... not for you but each to there own ....... i feal we made progress there me old china lol

and iam sure terry does only use it in certain sitiuations but we will never know ......

you stay away from boat waters and i stay away from spod waters lol ..... shame we may never get the chance to meet mate lol ......

thank you for your posts though biz , and others , it does make a change talking about boats as opposed to the usual .


smokey

and the best part of all this is that no moderators have had to get involved
quite a highlight of this forum

also Smokey and dont take this the wrong way
if you ever ,you may already have,want to catch genuine NW lump,most of the gaffs boat ban
then you will have to lose the boat,so we may meet yet and wrap a few up

[daveabbott]

I think this article sums it up perfectly

Are Bait Boats Cheating? a Poll on these Carp fishing tools | Angling Lines Blog

read that then try and argue with any of the points i am sure you will find it hard

Copyed and pasted below

Angling then is the technique of catching fish using a rod and line; it is called “angling” because of the angle formed by the two. It has been suggested that the quintessential step of making fishing into a sport, rather than just a means of catching fish for food, was the invention of the rod. It is considered a sport, then when practised for enjoyment. Anglers sometimes attempt to catch only one type of fish, in our case the Carp, often limiting their equipment to increase the sport - Sports commonly refer to activities where the physical capabilities of the competitor are the sole or primary determiner of the outcome.
Since the beginning then, angling’s rules and traditions have been laid down to provide sport by imposing a certain level of difficulty. I think everyone would agree that there are far easier and swifter ways of extracting fish from a lake or river than by rod and line. Nets, deadlines, multiple hooked lines and explosives would all be far more effective than a simple hook,rod and line. (Admittedly the latter suggestion makes catch and release somewhat difficult!!)
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Certain forms of fishing, such as fly fishing require a good level of technique to achieve any measure of success. Carp fishing too requires a considerable amount of skill to cast accurately and sufficiently far to be able to present a bait effectively to our quarry. The better anglers justifiably catch more fish. Setting the element of chance aside, I think most will agree a talented angler does do things differently from the average bod. If he catches more or bigger fish than his peers, he obviously has a greater aptitude for the sport than the average.
So I think then it is fairly easy to establish that we fish the way we do in the name of sport, and the intellectual stimulation and challenge, not just to pull the fish out of its natural habitat. I think we all get a great deal of satisfaction when we do it right and we catch well. You only have to look at an angling newspaper or magazine to see the number of cheesy grins behind leviathan carp to understand that we all get satisfaction in success. Modern rods and reels are better and perform better than at any time in the history of the sport, our understanding of bait, and fish behaviour has increased over the last few centuries too. But when all is said and done, we are carrying out the same gestures and actions as our forefathers in the time of Izaak Walton.
Ok so this brings me onto the ‘Bait Boat’.
Here is a gadget, pilfered from Model Making and turned to fishing. It has absolutely nothing to do with “angling“, and takes any amount of skill, technique and talent out of the sport. It in fact takes us right back to before the Art of Angling became just that; an Art! - I have to ask the question; ‘Where is the Art in using a Bait Boat?’
What it effectively does, and I don’t dispute the effectiveness of these ‘items’ of tackle.. is give you loaded dice to play with. It evens up the field, so that if you are next to the mega long caster or the fine technician, who can drop a lead on a sixpence at 80 yards, you can play in the same league. Is this not deemed cheating in any other sport?
There are other non negligible aspects of these devices, such as the effect their presentation has on the fishing on waters that their see heavy use .It makes it very hard afterwards to tempt a carp by more conventional means. The fish get used to and wary of the fact that every pile of food they come across on the lake bed has a hook in it. For the carp anglers it becomes a case having to join the “pugwash club” if you want to be in with a chance. Furthermore, and this is what has lead to their being banned on many venues, is the abuse of certain users, poaching others swims or placing baits in areas and at distances where they have very little or no chance of landing the fish.
You will gather then I am not a fan, and I shall continue to hone my own angling skills to tempt : “ the queen of our rivers; a stately, a good and very subtil fish… and hard to be caught.” Izaak Walton - ‘The Complete Angler’ 1653
Anyway rant over, I shall step down from my soapbox and for a bit of fun, ask that you fill in the short poll on Bait Boats I’ve set up at the top of this page.
Regards
Gareth

[IanB]

My mate Mr Crouch has one of those motorised wheel barrow monsters, none of his fish therefore count in my eyes (well they wont if he ever catches one)

[Matthew Duszynski]

Originally Posted by daveabbott

I think this article sums it up perfectly

Are Bait Boats Cheating? a Poll on these Carp fishing tools | Angling Lines Blog

Great read, but i feel bad now

If smokey and rich need to use a boat so they can play in the big league with us then we shouldnt tease and mock. Sorry captains... as you were

Matt

[daveabbott]

Originally Posted by matthew duszynski

great read, but i feel bad now

if smokey and rich need to use a boat so they can play in the big league with us then we shouldnt tease and mock. Sorry captains... As you were

matt

pmsl

[Matthew Duszynski]

Originally Posted by daveabbott

pmsl

Im gettin ready for a one toner off smokey any minute now

Matt

[richk]

Originally Posted by Matthew Duszynski

Great read, but i feel bad now

If smokey and rich need to use a boat so they can play in the big league with us then we shouldnt tease and mock. Sorry captains... as you were

Matt

Matt when your ready to step up to my leauge then I am more than Happy to Welcome you on board mate

[silverbirch]

''and the best part of all this is that no moderators have had to get involved
quite a highlight of this forum''

It's nice to see a potentially 'controversial' subject being debated in a mature fashion, Biz....proving that tidying the ''tool'' box every now and again does have benefits

[Matthew Duszynski]

Originally Posted by richk

Matt when your ready to step up to my leauge then I am more than Happy to Welcome you on board mate

I can feel a BB Lovers Vs BB Antis match coming on.

I propose 24hrs on a fast flowing river somewhere, hopefully with the odd waterfall with plenty of rocks at the bottom

Matt

[richk]

Originally Posted by Matthew Duszynski

I can feel a BB Lovers Vs BB Antis match coming on.

I propose 24hrs on a fast flowing river somewhere, hopefully with the odd waterfall with plenty of rocks at the bottom

Matt

LOL Sign me up Am sure us BB lovers wont come adrift along the way!

[smokey]

Originally Posted by daveabbott

Dude theres a massive difference in having a pair of light trainers than having a battery powered pair of trainers the difference would be between cheating and not cheating

Come on you surely gotta agree with me when i say it takes the skill out of the sport.

Yes its quicker and accurate, but its a model boat for god sake not a fishing rod, the hair rig thats completely out of context, its like saying that a boilies cheating???? or anything at all we use.

correct with your last sentance and thats why after every relection i made i said , how daft that comment was , just like the cheating aspect of a boat . Its in the eyes if the beholder ...to you it may be cheating but to others its and advancement ...... take your boillie comment - what if i thought making little round balls of food that are designd to give of high food signal , maybe more than my lob worm or bit of bread , {if i was old skool } so should i say your cheating as your using i higher quality food signal source that MAY attract the carp quicker than my Traditional baits ????? doesnt that take the skill out of find your quarry and angling for them , cus if were looking at it in that lite , i think the angling skill of casting is the least of the problems lol ..... think about you hair rig and bollie for a second , why do we use them when unboilled paste is to some degree better ??? i would imagin its done to make them stay on the hair rig better and not to come off or desolve. wheres the skill in that , you just cut the corner !!!!!! or atleast it would look that way if i was looking through your eyes ....get what i mean , now i know you wont agree with the last few comments ive made and thats another point , carp fishing is full of advancements and at a guess i would say any of them can be made to look like its cutting a corner , but thats not cheating , simply the sport movin on with the times. and like every part of are lifes convience / speed normaly take first place. {not with everyone} you ever shoped online ? stop cutting corners and go and view your purchase in a shop ............ once again a daft comment to can be twisted into been lazy and the person shopping online could be called lazy..... but is that the case ?

big pits , in the late 80;s there were a few lads using 'big pits' on the gardens and alot of other anglers thought the anglers using them were the devil lol

you didnt need that much line and a spool that large was just stupid , so they said , now i see people using them on duck ponds and large lakes , thats just how things change i supppose


i dont want to keep repeating or givin daft analogies as its pointless , iam not tryin to change your views dave just to show you a diffrent side and maybe to show you how some time BECAUSE I WANT TO syndrome kicks in with no plausable reasoning behind that thhought / comment.

my misses is a cracker , if we argue and she cant answer back or realises shes droped a clanger , the response i get is ....becuse i want to ......and no matter how hard i try you cant reason with that response ..lol ... same as i just dont like bait boats ....no reason just dont like them ! i hope you understand what iam tryn to get across even if you dont agree.

smokey

[smokey]

Originally Posted by Matthew Duszynski

I can feel a BB Lovers Vs BB Antis match coming on.

I propose 24hrs on a fast flowing river somewhere, hopefully with the odd waterfall with plenty of rocks at the bottom

Matt

shear quality my friend , PMSL

dave il have a read in a sec mate , jst gona grab a butty for launch lol ... looks interesting though lol

smokey