Is this old news?

[richk]

Originally Posted by Finbar

Yeah! Serves 'im right....
Listen to yourself. You sound like the greenest man on the planet, and not in an environmentally friendly way at all.
Do you really think that the captor wants any free tackle, money etc. to come from his capture? Get real, he couldnt give a flying turd about making money out of it. I've no doubt he's done it for himself and for that reason alone.
And all this '4 mins and 9 secs out of the water' 'ExaCtly wHat I Was thinKing' crap. That fish wouldnt have come to any harm if they had took another 4mins 9secs. Theres a gang of lads who fish the lake there, all top anglers, do you think for 1 moment that they would let anything happen to put that fish at risk?
They dont let any old muppet on the Mid Kent top tier. I'm sure it takes more than just turning up with your dosh and a passport photy to get on Conningbrook. The people issuing the tickets know exactly what calibre of angler they are getting before they even receive the application i'm sure.
Incidentally a couple of Mid Kent's rules speak reams, as i've said elswhere, there are at least some proper clubs left with proper carp anglers....



Love how they call them 'model boats' That'll keep the muppets away

Almost forgot! Congrats Oz, top capture, top angling and very much deserved

Not Enviromently friendly? I think you need to take stock of what planet your on..Not me! And also look up the phrase.." In my opinion"

Does not want to make money out of the capture..mmmmmm..Well as far as that goes I was commenting on the post made by another member not a post that I had introduced......

My opinion on the length of time out of the water is my opinion...Whether you agree or not I could not really give a To*s....

Did I comment on any of the other Anglers present...Dont think so...

Did I raise the subject of rules with reference to boats..Dont think so....But you obviuosly have a problem with them.....

Was it my post you read? or maybe its just the way you have Misrepresented to suit your own needs..Who knows....As I said check what planet your on!

[kermit]

Originally Posted by Finbar

And all this '4 mins and 9 secs out of the water' 'ExaCtly wHat I Was thinKing' crap. That fish wouldnt have come to any harm if they had took another 4mins 9secs.

My Finbar, you clearly habve a bee in your bonet on this thread don't you! Whilst I cannot comment on everything you've spouted I cannot let your above words pass by without comment.

Whilst carp can, biologically, survive for reasonably long periods of time out of water openly advocating having a fish on the bank for over 8 minutes on a public forum is utterly inappropriate (and I don't care what size the fish is). As anglers, we have a duty to keep carp out of their natural environment for the absolute minimum length of time. 4 minutes is pushing it in my opinion, suggesting 8 minutes is acceptable is utter lunacy.

These forums are read by many newcomers to the sport and I would urge every one of them to completely disregard Finbar's comments in this instance. Finbar in future please consider your posts and who might read them before pressing 'submit'.

Mike.

[cypry returns]

SOTAS has a 3 minute rule.

If longer is needed then why not do what Mr Danny Fairbrass does, and get in the water and dip the fish for each piccy. makes great pics as well

JUST MY OPINION

please dont hammer me

[The Prowler]

Originally Posted by richk

Thats probably why the Fish was on the Bank for so long...The guys thought..mmmm...Milk this get lots of Video and Pics then sell them to highest bidder and get lots of free tackle etc at the same time! Serves him right if nobody is interested if thats his intention.

... sorry Richk, I think you've dug your own grave on this one.

I'm not sure if the above post was 'tongue in cheek' (?) - if not it is quite ridiculous.

4 mins 9 secs is not excessive IMHO for a fish of that size, considering the number of other anglers present & the occasion. It's very easy to sit back & criticise after the event, but the lads present clearly know how to look after a carp & I think that shows on the video clip.

Well done OZ - great capture.

[kermit]

Originally Posted by The Prowler

4 mins 9 secs is not excessive IMHO for a fish of that size, considering the number of other anglers present & the occasion.

Talk about advocating putting personal glory and adoration ahead of fish welfare.

Prowler, please can you enlighten me as to why the following issues mean it is acceptable to keep any fish out of water for longer than necessary:

• The size of the fish.
• Number of other anglers present.
• An 'occasion' (presumably not a particularly enjoyable one for the fish involved).

I'm baffled.

Mike.

[richk]

Originally Posted by kermit

Talk about advocating putting personal glory and adoration ahead of fish welfare.

Prowler, please can you enlighten me as to why the following issues mean it is acceptable to keep any fish out of water for longer than necessary:

• The size of the fish.
• Number of other anglers present.
• An 'occasion' (presumably not a particularly enjoyable one for the fish involved).

I'm baffled.

Mike.

Spot on mate could not agree more...So for the ones that are having a pop..it goes like this.........

....The point I was making was that ......Even though the Video Footage was 4m 9s which is what you can actually see you can add a further 3 to 4 Minutes to that ie Landing it, Unhooking it, getting it on the mat etc and then there is also the returning which makes it around 8 minutes.....

Which IMO for any size of Fish is too long. So if I have as other people have said " Dug my own grave" am on another planet "etc then that suits me fine as I can do my Shots on my own and return the fish in 3 mins and that does include Large Fish I have had to 50lb + which I think is enough time for anybody if you are well prepared .

I put the fishes welfare above anything else including my Photos! and only recently unhooked a Common of 40+ in the net and released it without it ever touching the Bank as it was showing signs of distress. Believe me or not thats your choice.

So anybody else that wants to have a pop then please feel free.

[The Prowler]

Mike - calm down mate

I think you've misread / misunderstood my post.

I've been carp angling for over 25 years home & abroad & seen plenty of big fish on the bank in that time.

Let's have it right - I would NEVER advocate putting personal glory and adoration ahead of fish welfare, nor would I condone keeping ANY fish out of the water longer than absolutely necessary.

Read my post again, and please don't take it out of context.

The point I was trying to make was in response to the comment that the fish was kept out of the water "too long" for some sort of commercial gain.

Ideally we would have all fish weighed, photo'd & returned in 2-3 minutes - the reality is often different.

Sometimes, the size of fish / occasion gets to us all.

This guy had just landed a record carp (!) - the fish of his dreams & one which he'd no doubt spent a long time pursuing.

With the best will in the world Mike, even the most experienced of anglers would go to pieces / flap a bit in such a situation - I know I would, it's all part of the 'adrenaline rush' that goes with a capture.

Under such circumstances, it's best to have other anglers present to exercise a little calm over the situation & to help out looking after the fish as & when necessary.

Take another look at the video clip - in my opinion, these lads look like they know how to handle a big carp on the bank & I don't think they did anything fundamentally wrong.

The Prowler

Shall we call it a day then Richk. I didnt realise you had caught so many big fish and are obviously in the position to know what you are talking about. Thanks for bringing that to light, its nice to know that an angler of your calibre is willing to participate on equal terms with us lesser anglers, i'm humbled.....

Originally Posted by kermit

My Finbar, you clearly habve a bee in your bonet on this thread don't you! Whilst I cannot comment on everything you've spouted I cannot let your above words pass by without comment.

Whilst carp can, biologically, survive for reasonably long periods of time out of water openly advocating having a fish on the bank for over 8 minutes on a public forum is utterly inappropriate (and I don't care what size the fish is). As anglers, we have a duty to keep carp out of their natural environment for the absolute minimum length of time. 4 minutes is pushing it in my opinion, suggesting 8 minutes is acceptable is utter lunacy.

These forums are read by many newcomers to the sport and I would urge every one of them to completely disregard Finbar's comments in this instance. Finbar in future please consider your posts and who might read them before pressing 'submit'.

Mike.

Yes I have a slight 'buzzing insect in the olde bonnet' about this. It annoys me that some folk who obviously have absolutely no idea what they are talking about see fit to critisice.
The lads on the video knew exactly what was happening and that fish didnt come to any harm whatsoever except for getting a sore lip. Thats how its managed to live to over 40 years old, because proper anglers have been caring for it and not muppets..
If fish welfare bothers people so much then take up golf, far less stressful and only the balls get bruised
And I certainly didnt advocate keeping carp out of the water for 8 minutes or say it was acceptable. What I actually said was....

'That fish wouldnt have come to any harm IF they had took another 4mins 9secs.'

The operative word there is IF, your statements are wrong...

And a note for newcomers to the sport....Before taking up the sport of internet angling it would be best to achieve a basic level of ability in the English language. This will prevent you looking a right p1llock when you get it wrong

[THE SNIPER]

Originally Posted by drynetter

4mins and 9 secs out of the water without the "returning it to the water shots"....

good job he hasn't joined SOTAS

[kevw]

Originally Posted by Finbar

Yes I have a slight 'buzzing insect in the olde bonnet' about this. It annoys me that some folk who obviously have absolutely no idea what they are talking about see fit to critisice.
The lads on the video knew exactly what was happening and that fish didnt come to any harm whatsoever except for getting a sore lip. Thats how its managed to live to over 40 years old, because proper anglers have been caring for it and not muppets..
If fish welfare bothers people so much then take up golf, far less stressful and only the balls get bruised
And I certainly didnt advocate keeping carp out of the water for 8 minutes or say it was acceptable. What I actually said was....

'That fish wouldnt have come to any harm IF they had took another 4mins 9secs.'

The operative word there is IF, your statements are wrong...

And a note for newcomers to the sport....Before taking up the sport of internet angling it would be best to achieve a basic level of ability in the English language. This will prevent you looking a right p1llock when you get it wrong

Sorry to say this Finbar but how do we know you know what you are talking about

Nothing in catch reports, no indication of who you are, in the main criticism in the majority of your posts, not intended as a personal pop at you but again at posters hiding behind anonimity giving the impression that they are akin to Yoda.

Originally Posted by kevw

Sorry to say this Finbar but how do we know you know what you are talking about

Nothing in catch reports, no indication of who you are, in the main criticism in the majority of your posts, not intended as a personal pop at you but again at posters hiding behind anonimity giving the impression that they are akin to Yoda.

Dont be sorry Kev, thats a fair and valid comment. I certainly cant prove to you I know what i'm on about but i'd hope that at least some of my posts give the impression that I have at least done a bit of angling over the years.
As for catch reports I just dont want to share its that simple, not to mention that I dont catch too many anyway! I catch fish for me, nobody else and its only friends that either are there to share or get told after the occasion that find out, oh not forgetting the missus, and the kids not that they are interested
Theres no secret to who I am, i'm Finbar, The Mighty Shark
As for being akin to Yoda, i've got nearly 2 feet on him

[Dj13]

Theres no secret to who I am, i'm Finbar, The Mighty Shark Quote===

I heard you were actually called something else????

Originally Posted by Dj13

I heard you were actually called something else????

PMSL Youre a natural!

[Dj13]

You no it!