12 missed runs- WHY?

[kerrwaf]

Got a bit of a prblem unfortunately. I went fishing today at gawsworth fisheries and i missed 12 runs I think i may have a problem with my setup. I was using ashima C-410 carp hooks on a 7 inch drennan sinkbraid hooklink. This was tied to a korda safety clip setup and fished with a 1.5 oz flat pear. Now i dont know why i missed these runs because that seems like a perfectly good setup. The only problem i can think of is the hook or the way that i'm hitting the runs. Can anyone tell me a setup they have confidence in which is reliable and results in more fish on the bank than missed runs? When you hit a rod how hard do you strike?
ant help appreciated,
thanks, Will

[Nige]

Hi mate, not sure on the exact reason, and given your limited reply it is hard to determine exactly what the problem is.

Firstly, when using lead clips, I tend to get fast runs, if not screamers, and as opposed to 'striking' I just pick up the rod and 'bend into' the fish with moderate pressure.

As for rigs, well, I use either supple hooklink materials and stiffer ones, both work well, the only problem being the occasional tangle with the more supple braids. I tend to use an Ashima C-310 to either a Mantis/Snake Skin or Flouro/amnesia link, of around 6-8 inches to a standard lead clip setup with usually around 2 or 3 ounces of lead.

Moreover the only problem I can see with your setup is the lead size. Try increasing the size of your lead, something which I think Mick Ball advised Bloo last year on Swamp, and after doing so he had a quite a good run of fish. Combined with this, you could try using inline leads, which really do minimise flexibility and get a god hookhold as soon as the fish hits the lead.

It might help if you describe the type of fishing you were doing, i.e snags.. and exactly what your runs were like.


Nige

[Steve Baker]

It might not be fish actually picking your hookbait up. With it being a heavily fished commercial venue you might find that a carp is trailing someone elses end tackle which may be catching on your mainline.

[Ronin]

I'd agree with steve, if it happened more than once or twice then i'd start to think that something else was causing it and it wasn't a genuine take

[Nige]

Yes nice point there, somthing I'd missed - I think that was our problem at Moreton a few months back when me and Steve kept recieveing these 'dodgy takes'.

Also, was it all on the same rod, and did you inspect the hook/point?

[bigted]

hiya pal, like nige says, i to am not fully sure what the answer could be, but uppin your lead would def help, and what ronin said ,,was it a genuin run? things like this need looking at, i dont know the water you're fishing at all so feel a bit unqualified, ...but....

there's so many things to take into account with rig choice pal, weed, snags,silt, the body shape and feeding habits of the kippers your after,
water clarity, depth, the list goes on,,,,

i use different rigs for different occasions, but my confidence rig would have to be my snake bite rig, an example of when i'd use this would be my local,,

my local's full of hungry carp, there's no snags,no weed, no naturals, no features, they're bait fish, they tend not to ask questions they just have it! for this palce i use 6inch of 15 pound snake bite, size 6 kamasan b745 longshank hook, clear shrink tube to help the spin and i strip the coating back an inch befor the hook, a three ounce lead on a clip to boot, a larger lead helps the hook drive home on there, the super sharp kamasan, spins like a good un but can open out, there's no snags, and no need to hold em back so theyre fine, if i'm ever fishin similar situations, i'l use a similar rig,
it's a rig i have full confidence in, for this kind of water

the run's are normaly fast and there's no need to strike, if it runnin it's on,so just lift into the fish and it's fisht time

i hope this helps pal,
best o luck
it's wine time for me now!!!! oh hel aye

[Fluke]

It could be a size issue ie hook size v bait size. It could also be the length of your hair. It could also be other fish trying to eat your bait (bream) and just mouthing it without actually having the hook in their mouths. It could also be a lead issue as discussed.

The best thing to do is set up each rod differently until it all clicks together.

[kerrwaf]

thanks for all the replies.
The kind of fishing i was doing was fishing tight to an island with a small PVA bag of 15mm boilies. When i got a bite the bobbin would just keep moving up and down an inch or so. When i lifted the rod there was resistance then it went all slack. I did get a few proper runs with the line coming of the spool but when i picked up the rod nothing was on the end. On one occassion i recieved a bitty bite i picked up the rod to find myself attached to someone elses line. Presumably this was being trailed by a fish.

Originally Posted by kerrwaf

thanks for all the replies.
The kind of fishing i was doing was fishing tight to an island with a small PVA bag of 15mm boilies. When i got a bite the bobbin would just keep moving up and down an inch or so. When i lifted the rod there was resistance then it went all slack. I did get a few proper runs with the line coming of the spool but when i picked up the rod nothing was on the end. On one occassion i recieved a bitty bite i picked up the rod to find myself attached to someone elses line. Presumably this was being trailed by a fish.

Youve answered your own question mate..............how do you expect the carp to give u a run when you are fishing 'tight to an island'

any movement has to be sideways along the island or towards you.........giving the fish loads of line to kite on and also time to loosen the hookhold...(read hughes and crow 'strategic carp fishing' theres an amazing chapter on the effect of fish kiting with leads)........especially with only a 1 1/2oz lead.........next time use 3 1/2 oz....... take note of the hook hold position and how deep it is in the flesh..........usually up to the bottom of the gape

when you did connect were the fish being connected with in the same spot that you cast to ??? i doubt it.................as for striking a rod..........with modern rig techniques there shouldnt be the need for striking unless its at range where all you are doing is picking up the stretch in the line........

hope it helps

[miffa]

if yr fishing close in try slackeng of with yr main line till it hits bottom and use a line clip in front of yr opps u dont need a bobbin as when u hook a fish under yr toes thay norm tear of,another plus of clipping yr line this way no false bleeps even if its blowin a gale,dont know if it helps,,,dont know how yr fishin,but 4 close in work,its a good way

best of luck matey

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