Blowback ring or silicon tube

[ICAP]

Been playing about with two methods at the moment, line aligner rig with blowback ring and the same but with a piece of silicon tube holding the hair in place, both rigs see the hair leave the hook just lower than oposite the barb on a raptor big t hook bait / hook separation about 10mm.
The palm test works just as good on both methods, i would sway towards the blowback ring as i think when the fish takes the bait there will be more separation between the hook and bait, what would be your preference and why?
CAP

[mancity]

I done all this trying and messing around last year .

I now use running rigs with a flouro leader (from Carp R Us) and some mainline for the hooklink (Fox Soft Steel camo mono, Just line and a hair rig tied on) and can honestly say I have hooked every carp in the bottom lip, further in than ever before (around 1/2 to 1 inch inside the mouth).

Aint no carp getting away from that hook hold, I can tell you

[ICAP]

Must admit, used to use IQ with a fine hair, trapped with a small piece of silicon and it worked well, but im always thinking that the carp get away with it more than we think, watching the Korda DVD's does that for you, screws your mind up, you can see them ejecting the bait all the time in series 5.
I guess its down to luck sometimes, doesn't matter what rig you use!

[THE SNIPER]

using rings on the shank of the hook is nice and supple........
silicone on the shank of the hook will tell you if you have been done or not as the silicone will be down near the eye if you have been done.....if so it tells you something needs adjusting

you wouldn't know if you have been done or not using a ring on the shank of the hook


i know which i would use

[richk]

Originally Posted by THE SNIPER

using rings on the shank of the hook is nice and supple........
silicone on the shank of the hook will tell you if you have been done or not as the silicone will be down near the eye if you have been done.....if so it tells you something needs adjusting

you wouldn't know if you have been done or not using a ring on the shank of the hook


i know which i would use

Spot on I have been using the same method for years now and I know when I have been done and then make the adjustments cast back out to the same spot and have usually had one on the bank!

[skilledhandz]

Something to consider.You guys who use the silicon tubing.Cast out and retrieve 10 times then see how many times you have been done.You might start realising its the cast and retrieve that makes it look that way.By using the John Mac rig with foam inserted on the cast the ring holds its position.If i have been done the bait is tight against the eye.This never happens on cast and retrieve.

[THE SNIPER]

if the correct diameter of tubing is used it ain't moving anywhere on the cast or retrieve.............as for the jon mac rig, i think it was originally thought out by mike kavanagh many many years ago

[richk]

Originally Posted by THE SNIPER

if the correct diameter of tubing is used it ain't moving anywhere on the cast or retrieve.............as for the jon mac rig, i think it was originally thought out by mike kavanagh many many years ago

Second that!

[skilledhandz]

Ye Mike Cavanah and who ever he pinched it off and so on.So the silicon is tight enough to stop it moving on a full blooded cast but the gentle suck and blow of a carp moves it.The idea of the foam on the Jon Mac rig is to make sure the bait settles at the correct end of the D.I use it with bottom baits mostly not pop ups were it should self align.

[THE SNIPER]

Originally Posted by skilledhandz

Ye Mike Cavanah and who ever he pinched it off and so on.So the silicon is tight enough to stop it moving on a full blooded cast but the gentle suck and blow of a carp moves it.

on the casting of a rig the bait is being forced upwards of the shank of the hook not downwards ......hence it should move futher up the shank but it doesnt

[ChrisKnapper]

Originally Posted by THE SNIPER

you wouldn't know if you have been done or not using a ring on the shank of the hook


i know which i would use

Thats not entirely true. I have always used the rings when presenting a bait blow back style, imo works an absoloute treat, far better than a piece of silicone ever would. I know if i have been done when using a ring due to the fact that bait has span around the shank of the hook a fair few times... not that i get done a lot

Chris

[skilledhandz]

Each to there own its a confidence thing.A few shocks would be had if lads actually put the effort in to see how the rigs sit after casting.Also the amount of movement required to give indication is scary especially sideways.

[stotty]

Originally Posted by ChrisKnapper

Thats not entirely true. I have always used the rings when presenting a bait blow back style, imo works an absoloute treat, far better than a piece of silicone ever would. I know if i have been done when using a ring due to the fact that bait has span around the shank of the hook a fair few times... not that i get done a lot

Chris

second that!
dont no why but i have been DONE less with rings than i have tubing, and when i HAVE been done with rings on my hair has rapped around the shank.. and all the times with rings the hook hold has been perfect in the middle of bottom lip.never had many lost fish with rings but get spat with tubing

[ChrisKnapper]

Originally Posted by skilledhandz

Each to there own its a confidence thing.A few shocks would be had if lads actually put the effort in to see how the rigs sit after casting.Also the amount of movement required to give indication is scary especially sideways.

This may be so, but my confidence is and always will be sky high fishing this type of rig due to many circumatances where this rig has simply outfished others tenfold...One experiance was one i had last year whilst fishing a hard northwest stillwater. Basically, for a period of about 2 - 3 weeks, if you wernt fishing 'blowback' style with the ring, then you wouldnt be in a chance with a take... it was simple as that.

We were whacking single hookbaits over 130 yards, no pva... nothing, but fishing into weed... so for me, if i can present a bait 'blowback' style at this distance in this circumstance and catch consistantly, then never will i have doubt in my mind as to if me rig is sitting/perfoming how it should be.

Chris

[Deano]

Originally Posted by ChrisKnapper

not that i get done a lot

Chris

you'd be surprised....ALL rigs get done all the time...