whats more important

[Deano]

Originally Posted by drynetter

Hmmmm, seem to remember reading something on here about someone casting 200yards+ with a broom handle??? All depends on whose hands they're in.

The point in question drynetter is you stated that a major factor involved in rod selection is fish size.To a degree I agree but any rod of 2.75lb test is more than capable of landing very big fish. Conversely they wont cast much above 110...well not in my hands at least

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by drynetter

Hmmmm, seem to remember reading something on here about someone casting 200yards+ with a broom handle??? All depends on whose hands they're in.

Nail and head there matey, stiff rods can launch for fun, if the guy holding it can compress the blank to its optimum-its like a catapult, if 'wheres wally' has his dweeby hands on a mega strong catapult he'll not be able to pull the pouch back far enough to 'compress' the elastic, so the bait will project a mere distance compared to someone who can get the maximum stretch out of said elastic and therefore utilise the tension to its maximum.

Think of rods in the same way, a finer elastic in weaker hands is easier to compress to its maximum so will gain more distance than a partially compressed heavy catapult elastic (obviously substituting elastics on catty's for softer/stronger rods)


Or something like that anyway...

[drynetter]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

Disagree fella-its fairly possible to land a 20lb fish on a float rod, with some experience and a bit of luck. Rods these days are judged moreso by their casting abilities than 'playing' abilities if I'm right in saying. Everyone wants 3lb + but it makes me chuckle that years ago a 2.5lb rod was deemed a beast and did the job of launching a lead 100+ yards with a 4500 baitrunner.

Now the trend is for huge bucket reels and 4lb infinity/free spirits/century monsters, methinks folk tend to fall to peer pressure more now than actually try to get the most from their gear, hence ending up trying to 'buy' extra yards...

Seems like it's the wrong way round then, great if you can cast to the horizon, but I'd rather have a rod that's balanced... What's the point in going if your gonna skull drag everything to the bank. There's no skill in that.

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by drynetter

Seems like it's the wrong way round then, great if you can cast to the horizon, but I'd rather have a rod that's balanced... What's the point in going if your gonna skull drag everything to the bank. There's no skill in that.

See your point geez, I have always mocked about 3lb plus rods that will blast a lead 175 yards yadda yadda, but if they're that stiff that the fish bump off at the net then whats the fekkin point? Far better to angle for them close in with softer gear and increase hooking to landing ratio.

I fish for fish and not runs, an old cliche but very true- trophy shots look miles better with fish in your hands than nothing at all...

However there comes a time with increased angling pressure on certain waters whereby the quarry move out of 'reasonable' distance and the only way to be in with a chance is to increase ones range skills, the recent Petty fiasco holding some weight for example...

[drynetter]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

See your point geez, I have always mocked about 3lb plus rods that will blast a lead 175 yards yadda yadda, but if they're that stiff that the fish bump off at the net then whats the fekkin point? Far better to angle for them close in with softer gear and increase hooking to landing ratio.

I fish for fish and not runs, an old cliche but very true- trophy shots look miles better with fish in your hands than nothing at all...

However there comes a time with increased angling pressure on certain waters whereby the quarry move out of 'reasonable' distance and the only way to be in with a chance is to increase ones range skills, the recent Petty fiasco holding some weight for example...

Not really sure what you're on about here??? Only been posting a few weeks. And I'm not a carp angler... I just have a look through to see what everyones talking about. Horses for courses really...

As for trophy shots, I'm sure if I were catching some of these 'monsters' I'd have a bit more of a smile on my face. I'm more than happy to stick to, what is it you call it, oh yes that's it 'noddy' fishing. I know the fish are smaller. But I'm just not ready to hole up and sit behind bite alarms (just yet). I've not got the time either.

[Deano]

Originally Posted by drynetter

. But I'm just not ready to hole up and sit behind bite alarms (just yet). I've not got the time either.

one of the most effective and enjoyable ways of catching carp is to keep mobile its not all about 'camping'

[drynetter]

Originally Posted by Deano

one of the most effective and enjoyable ways of catching carp is to keep mobile its not all about 'camping'

I suppose, it's something that doesn't 'yank my chain' though. There's far too many commercial fisheries that dig holes in the ground and fill them with carp. Seems to me like shooting fish in a barrel.

If carp fishings your bag, then fine. But personally I'd rather fish a river for chub, dace, roach etc.

Go on, tell me to stop posting then......

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by drynetter

Not really sure what you're on about here??? Only been posting a few weeks. And I'm not a carp angler... I just have a look through to see what everyones talking about. Horses for courses really...

As for trophy shots, I'm sure if I were catching some of these 'monsters' I'd have a bit more of a smile on my face. I'm more than happy to stick to, what is it you call it, oh yes that's it 'noddy' fishing. I know the fish are smaller. But I'm just not ready to hole up and sit behind bite alarms (just yet). I've not got the time either.

Don't be under the misconception that I'm trying to belittle you for 'noddy' fishing mate, its the foundation of angling many of todays 'hardcore' specimen anglers know little or nothing about! Many carp 'anglers' use 'noddy as a derogitory term yet they are no more wisened to the art themselves!

RE The 'Petty' reference, I was referring to the recent saga of a particular water suffering immense pressure from one bank which effectively forces the fish to seek sanctuary in the confines of areas out of reasonable bounds of anglers casting ranges, unless extremely experienced. Then along comes an individual who flaunts said juresdictions and proceeds to fish in an area deemed safe by the fish and immediately has a few results.

Not to stir the now simmering pot but this shows that angling pressure can determine where fish reside and unless your ability and/or gear can present a bait in said areas legitimately, you aint gonna catch regularly without the skill/ability angle for the fish in their safe zone so to speak.

[Deano]

Originally Posted by drynetter

I suppose, it's something that doesn't 'yank my chain' though. There's far too many commercial fisheries that dig holes in the ground and fill them with carp. Seems to me like shooting fish in a barrel.

If carp fishings your bag, then fine. But personally I'd rather fish a river for chub, dace, roach etc.

Go on, tell me to stop posting then......

Theres many aspects to modern carp angling long range, short range, floaters ,stalking....commercials, club waters, high stock, low stock...you do what you enjoy..it may be all it may be none.Sometimes you might be forced to do things you wouldnt normally(eg long range) all in the name of catching a fish!

If you like the rivers good on ya mate but I'd be after the barbel personally...lol..

[Joem]

nice one all. something to think about there. in my mind i have been thinking reel over rod, the majority choice seems the other way. you might have changed my mind.

people fishing for runs and not fish whats that all about then

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by Deano

Theres many aspects to modern carp angling long range, short range, floaters ,stalking....commercials, club waters, high stock, low stock...you do what you enjoy..it may be all it may be none.Sometimes you might be forced to do things you wouldnt normally(eg long range) all in the name of catching a fish!

If you like the rivers good on ya mate but I'd be after the barbel personally...lol..

I know of more than one experienced Carp angler turn his hand to Barbel fishing simply to seek the solitary peace n quiet of the river to escape the rat race, not to mention the thrill of the explosive encounters with the whiskered warriors, I keep threatening to have a dabble myself but as usual, f****n life gets in the way....

[drynetter]

[quote=oliver reed;126686]Don't be under the misconception that I'm trying to belittle you for 'noddy' fishing mate, its the foundation of angling many of todays 'hardcore' specimen anglers know little or nothing about! Many carp 'anglers' use 'noddy as a derogitory term yet they are no more wisened to the art themselves!

RE The 'Petty' reference, I was referring to the recent saga of a particular water suffering immense pressure from one bank which effectively forces the fish to seek sanctuary in the confines of areas out of reasonable bounds of anglers casting ranges, unless extremely experienced. Then along comes an individual who flaunts said juresdictions and proceeds to fish in an area deemed safe by the fish and immediately has a few results.

Not to stir the now simmering pot but this shows that angling pressure can determine where fish reside and unless your ability and/or gear can present a bait in said areas legitimately, you aint gonna catch regularly without the skill/ability angle for the fish in their safe zone so to speak.[/QUOTE]

Oh right, I see...

I'd have thought that if everyone's casting to the 'safe zones' that they're gonna be a bit crowded... May be time to try under your feet...???

[BRAVEHEART]

Originally Posted by Joem

nice one all. something to think about there. in my mind i have been thinking reel over rod, the majority choice seems the other way. you might have changed my mind.

people fishing for runs and not fish whats that all about then

IF U DONT GET RUNS. U DONT GET FISH ???

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by Joem

nice one all. something to think about there. in my mind i have been thinking reel over rod, the majority choice seems the other way. you might have changed my mind.

people fishing for runs and not fish whats that all about then

Apologies Joe, kinda wandered off the topic somewhat there. In a nutshell fella, fish for fish, not for runs. It DOES happen believe it or not, over gunned weapons with little knowledge go off hearsay and splash out on ill suited set ups which ultimately hinders their objective when fishing, result being an unhappy angler through dropped fish, not a good conclusion.

Weigh up your own circumstances fella, first consider the distances required then choose a test curve to suit along with weed/snags etc present. 2.5 or 2.75 is more than adequate for uk fishing, a 10k baitrunner is a nice 'jack of all trades', not too heavy, balanced with most rods today and not too expensive to fill with line. Try float fishing with a Shimano LC and tell me big pits are the future....

[oliver reed]

[quote=drynetter;126690]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

Don't be under the misconception that I'm trying to belittle you for 'noddy' fishing mate, its the foundation of angling many of todays 'hardcore' specimen anglers know little or nothing about! Many carp 'anglers' use 'noddy as a derogitory term yet they are no more wisened to the art themselves!

RE The 'Petty' reference, I was referring to the recent saga of a particular water suffering immense pressure from one bank which effectively forces the fish to seek sanctuary in the confines of areas out of reasonable bounds of anglers casting ranges, unless extremely experienced. Then along comes an individual who flaunts said juresdictions and proceeds to fish in an area deemed safe by the fish and immediately has a few results.

Not to stir the now simmering pot but this shows that angling pressure can determine where fish reside and unless your ability and/or gear can present a bait in said areas legitimately, you aint gonna catch regularly without the skill/ability angle for the fish in their safe zone so to speak.[/QUOTE]

Oh right, I see...

I'd have thought that if everyone's casting to the 'safe zones' that they're gonna be a bit crowded... May be time to try under your feet...???

A great theory mate, unfortunately carp can't read....