whats more important

[Callum91]

if i was in your shoes mate, and money wasnt too much of a problem.. i would get my self 2 chub outkasts 3.25's and 2 daiwa 5000ts

[Deano]

Originally Posted by Callum91

if i was in your shoes mate, and money wasnt too much of a problem.. i would get my self 2 chub outkasts 3.25's and 2 daiwa 5000ts

listen to Callum these young uns are always up on the gear side of things... Are these Outkast rods any good then or what and what price? I might splash out on some for bigger waters

[oliver reed]

Its all about the waters you're fishing. Big pit reels and long range rods are great if you're regularly fishing at range- but on a 1 acre pond you'll end up losing fish at the net no doubt, but if you're more worried about the tartiness of ones tackle then blank behind some blinding gear fella...

Would you use a javelin at a darts match? Or a shot putt on a bowling green? In short mate, light gear ( by light I refer to 2.5lb rods and a 8000 size Baitrunner) never did folk any harm fifteen years ago so why should it now?

Five large is a lot of money,two cheap rods and reels and two hundred quid of quality bait will get you further than four hundred quids worth of carp rag recommendation and some dry ready mades. Forget the looks, fish for yourself and worry not about what others think.

If you're regularly fishing UNDER 100 yards (and lets face it, most do...) then a Shimano 'Runner 8000/10,000 size reel and a Chub Outkast/ Fox Warrior will be more than adequate, then use the rest of your wedge on the important stuff, a bait boat.

No, ignore that last jibe, only kidding, bait and the last three foot of your end gear catches the fish, not the ornaments on the bank.

Bad carpenters blame their tools. De Walt gear however doesn't make a good chippy....

[kevw]

Take your pick -

Erics Angling Centre / Shimano Super Baitrunner Xtea / Fox Evolution Bedchair / <br>Fox Warrior Es Elite, Leeds, UK

Should be able find a good 2 rod and reel combo from there, personally would put more money into the rod as it will perform with any decent reel. But a decent reel is useless with a poor rod. Century Fg and shimano reel

[Deano]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

Its all about the waters you're fishing. Big pit reels and long range rods are great if you're regularly fishing at range- but on a 1 acre pond you'll end up losing fish at the net no doubt, but if you're more worried about the tartiness of ones tackle then blank behind some blinding gear fella...

Would you use a javelin at a darts match? Or a shot putt on a bowling green? In short mate, light gear ( by light I refer to 2.5lb rods and a 8000 size Baitrunner) never did folk any harm fifteen years ago so why should it now?

Five large is a lot of money,two cheap rods and reels and two hundred quid of quality bait will get you further than four hundred quids worth of carp rag recommendation and some dry ready mades. Forget the looks, fish for yourself and worry not about what others think.

If you're regularly fishing UNDER 100 yards (and lets face it, most do...) then a Shimano 'Runner 8000/10,000 size reel and a Chub Outkast/ Fox Warrior will be more than adequate, then use the rest of your wedge on the important stuff, a bait boat.

No, ignore that last jibe, only kidding, bait and the last three foot of your end gear catches the fish, not the ornaments on the bank.

Bad carpenters blame their tools. De Walt gear however doesn't make a good chippy....

Correct ollie...I didnt want to ruin the lads ideas of some new gear but i refrained from telling him to spend it on end tackle and bait...which is what I do with my limited funds...like I have said before tackle dont make the angler...good bait and bait placement does...oh and good hooks not them Korda Longshank things either(here we go again...lol..)

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by kevw

Take your pick -

Erics Angling Centre / Shimano Super Baitrunner Xtea / Fox Evolution Bedchair / <br>Fox Warrior Es Elite, Leeds, UK

Should be able find a good 2 rod and reel combo from there, personally would put more money into the rod as it will perform with any decent reel. But a decent reel is useless with a poor rod. Century Fg and shimano reel

And just as an after thought, the best rod and reel combo going is useless without technique-How fast would we minions go in a McClaren F1 given the chance?

A few hours casting lessons will be far better money spent if long range work is regularly needed, or an Extra Value Happy Meal for Mr Igotneedstoo in exchange for an hour in the nature reserve on Sale trying to hit Dennis with 5 oz's as he pokes his head out of his 'house'...

[Callum91]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

A few hours casting lessons will be far better money spent if long range work is regularly needed, or an Extra Value Happy Meal for Mr Igotneedstoo in exchange for an hour in the nature reserve on Sale trying to hit Dennis with 5 oz's as he pokes his head out of his 'house'...

haha, you mean sticks his head out of his porta loo

[BRAVEHEART]

If ??? I Had Coin Kid,i,d Defo Go For Outkasts And A Good Make Big Pit Baitrunner.

[kevw]

Maybe I'm jumping the gun assuming Joem isn't new to carp fishing, but if he wants the gear to fish 140yds then the rod is the more important bit of kit than the reel IMO. I've got some longcasts but can't cast 140 yds with them with 2.75 x-flites. Have cast beyond this with 2.75 amorphous and the same reels though

If the fish are caught at 130 yds plus, a tub of pop-up's cast in the right area are a better investment than 20kg of mainline's finest

[Deano]

Originally Posted by kevw

If the fish are caught at 130 yds plus, a tub of pop-up's cast in the right area are a better investment than 20kg of mainline's finest

mainlines finest....thats a contradiction in terms isnt it Kev...lol..

[kevw]

Have to be careful Deano, there's so many bait guru's around at the moment I don't want to offend anyone....................

[DELVO]

Originally Posted by kevw

Maybe I'm jumping the gun assuming Joem isn't new to carp fishing, but if he wants the gear to fish 140yds then the rod is the more important bit of kit than the reel IMO. I've got some longcasts but can't cast 140 yds with them with 2.75 x-flites. Have cast beyond this with 2.75 amorphous and the same reels though

If the fish are caught at 130 yds plus, a tub of pop-up's cast in the right area are a better investment than 20kg of mainline's finest

QUOTE=depends if you fish at range much or not mate i like to whip a lead so i dont get along with it although i use it as a shockleader, my mate has got sensor on his though and i have to say its a pure bargain for somebody who doesnt fish long range.=QUOTE=Joem

Methinks joe,s on a bit of a wind up kev,any body who can put a post along these lines(pardon the pun)in the line thread will i think definately know which is the more important or not

So Joem,,,,,,,,,

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by kevw

Maybe I'm jumping the gun assuming Joem isn't new to carp fishing, but if he wants the gear to fish 140yds then the rod is the more important bit of kit than the reel IMO. I've got some longcasts but can't cast 140 yds with them with 2.75 x-flites. Have cast beyond this with 2.75 amorphous and the same reels though

If the fish are caught at 130 yds plus, a tub of pop-up's cast in the right area are a better investment than 20kg of mainline's finest

A very valid point made there, hence the need to establish the rudiments of the guys fishing situation. I agree that a good rod in the right hands will glean more yards than a basia/technium on an averae rod, however even that can be disproved, the chunky cheeky cockney Mitch 'look at me' Smith has allegedly done 200+ yards with a Chub Oatcake rod, its about balance I believe, an FMJ in the hands of a 7 stone fella is useless but a soft rod will suit much more, and vice versa of course.

Or if you're really struggling to hit the distance, just go round the other side...

[BRAVEHEART]

chub OAT CAKES R BOSS! believe me MR. OLLIE

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by DELVO

>>an FMJ in the hands of a 7 stone fella is useless<<


Ollie, i manage or are you telling me porkies

Speak inglish buoy, me no hunderstando hue.