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23-01-2008, 11:11 PM
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I do hope all you boys are remembering to wash your hands properly after playing with these enzymes!
 
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23-01-2008, 11:31 PM
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Oh blimey,whats happened to all the love on this forum guys??????
Itake it B.S.C stands for "brain stands corrected" and M.S.C means "Man seems confused" Dean,its only fishing mate and its only bait and truth be known,im only having a laugh with you fella,........But.........We have been down this road several times now on several forums,and just because no one yet has achieved what we have,they choose to question our findings,It works because we have invested years of painstaking experiments to eventually find a winning combination and yes you have considerable knowledge in this field to such an extent we are impressed But there is always someone out there that knows how to or knows more,just as we know that certain people are better than Pete.Its just a natural progression mate,you and i will never stop that and for all your sceptisism we have found a combo that truelly works Ask those who use it and you will see this is no ordinary bait Regards and respect,Dean
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23-01-2008, 11:48 PM
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 Theres no confusion on my part if your looking for that take a look at your replies last night...  Take it easy and send us a free kilo out to test...lol.....
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24-01-2008, 06:19 AM
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Thought my answers last nite were fine
 Did i say anything that was incorrect?..... I said i knew little about the subject,i did not pretend to know it all pm me your address Dean
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24-01-2008, 06:43 AM
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 Can see the headlines now...lol 'MAN LOSES PENIS IN FISHING BAIT ACCIDENT' |
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24-01-2008, 01:52 PM
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24-01-2008, 02:22 PM
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ive been researching this all last night and heres what ive come up with.There are various enzymes that act upon the different food groups, some which may be sourced, to use in your bait to predigest its food group ingredients, making your bait a far more energy-efficient nutrition source, so making it as attractive as possible:
Proteins (proteases): trypsin pH (3.5 to 6), bromelain pH 3 to 10, papain, acetyltyrosine, actinidine, fincin Carbohydrates and starch (amylases): amylase, bromelain, diastase Fats and oils (lipase) Milk constituents: lactase White sugar (sucrase): iron sucrose Malt sugars and grains (maltase, diastase) Dietary fiber / Cellulose: (cellulase) The crystalline forms of trypsin, amylase and can be used for example. Fishing bait companies offer it. They are the enzymes the carp use themselves in digestion.  For natural enzymic application, for example, amylolytic yeast strain enzymes have shown similar optimum temperature and pH ranges in tests on wheat, as amylases from bacteria. The crystal form of bromelain (from pineapple) is supplied by health food companies as a ‘tonic,’ and taken at up to 1000 mgs a day as a human digestion aid. It efficiently ‘hydrolyses’ most soluble proteins at pH 3 to 10, at a wide range of temperatures for liquid and many amazing carp attracting substances. Remember, the carp has a very short, alkaline digestive tract! Ideally, this food needs to be in a form that is actively breaking down, for the carp to derive best benefits from it, or, in an easily digestible form, like that in bloodworms, fly larvae, shrimps or water snails, etc. and certain ingredients are enzyme treaed anyway.rennet casien is enzyme treated i think. the secrets out the bag lol.
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24-01-2008, 02:57 PM
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this stuff looks interesting! XtraZyme - the powerful aid to digestive health with 14 different ingredients.
Betaine HCL ... is a beet-derived supplementary source of hydrochloric acid. Low levels of stomach acid are a common problem and are associated with an increased presence of bacteria and fungi such as Candida. Betaine HCL is also necessary for adequate absorption of protein, calcium, vitamin B12 and iron. XtraZyme™ contains a gentle dose of Betaine to provide digestive support. Bromelain... is derived from the stem of pineapple and is an enzyme that helps in digestion of protein. Papain... is an enzyme that is isolated from the Carica Papaya fruit. It helps to digest large proteins into smaller peptides and amino acids. Papain has a mild, soothing effect on the stomach and aids in protein digestion. Protease... digests protein, and together with Cellulase, which is also in Xtrazyme™, it helps breaks down the Candida cell wall. Amylase... is important in helping with the breakdown of carbohydrates. Amylase together with Papain, Bromelain and Protease helps prevent indigestion by contributing to the efficient breakdown of food. Lipase... is responsible for breaking down fat in the diet. Once broken down the smaller components known as triglycerides are more easily absorbed in the intestine. Cider Vinegar Powder... is a nutritional powerhouse. For centuries one of its many uses has been to aid digestion. The Malic Acid and Acetic Acid in apple cider vinegar are known to be antifungal and alkalising, also making it useful in the prevention and treatment of Candida. Cellulase... is the only digestive enzyme your body cannot make, and is essential in helping you digest fibre in the diet. It is particularly valuable for Candida sufferers. The wall of the Candida yeast cell contains cellulose which is weakened by Cellulase enzymes, redering them more vulnerable to fungicide treatments. If you suffer from Candida it is likely that there is a large amount of undigested fibre in the form of cellulose in the large intestine. This can result in excess mucus that protects Candida from your body’s natural defences. Cellulase will help to reduce this excess mucus. Caraway... contains mild antihistamines and antimicrobial compounds that are particularly effective against bacterial infections. It also helps reduce intestinal gas which is why it’s been considered a good digestive aid since ancient Egyptian times. Chamomile Flowers... are highly antiseptic and active against bacteria. Chamomile is famous for soothing all kinds of digestive upsets such as abdominal pain, wind and distension. Fennel... has antimicrobial activity against a number of bacteria, fungi and yeasts such as Candida. Fennel has also been used for centuries to sooth the intestine while also reducing flatulence and indigestion. Ginger... is a great aid to digestion. It increases digestive movement through the stomach and duodenum, and has also been shown to stimulate several valuable digestive enzymes in the pancreas. Ginger's anti toxic properties have anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-histamine and anti-bacterial effects. Peppermint... is well understood as a digestive aid and it is known to blend well with the Fennel and Ginger in XtraZyme™. It is also has anti fungal properties that help in the treatment of Candida. Turmeric... aids digestion, particularly of protein, promotes absorption, regulates the metabolism and helps to nurture intestinal flora. Turmeric also helps calm an upset digestive system by reducing gas and distension.
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24-01-2008, 03:56 PM
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1)It seems that it will be no more of an edge in the winter due to the cold ambient temperatures namely a 4 degrees C lake bed thus rendering the enzyme inactive. Maybe you advocate a prolonged thawing procedure prior to fishing in the winter to allow the enzymes to perform their tasks? 2) Are these enzymes totally resistant to the effects of freezing which everybody does with their boilies.Enzymes can also get denatured at low temperatures as well as high ones. 3) You say that the enzymes work between 15 and 25 degrees C but do lake beds reach these temperatures consistently even during the summer? I am not too sure on this one. This is not a cheap attempt to cause further friction but merely a genuine set of questions to attempt to stimulate further discussion. All the best Dean
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24-01-2008, 06:02 PM
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Boil a bait to "skin"...
Freeze a bait for preservation.... Thermal denaturing ....and pH change from ice crystal formation. How ironic....Enzymewise...is either reversable... Is a bait Enzyme or Bacteria active at point of contact?..... Me......I like Sugar..
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24-01-2008, 06:48 PM
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oh be jesus what is all this enzyme stuff
my head is mashed with it all cant take all this in just gonna go back to the jolly green giants baits!! those lovely little yellow grains.................................. Do these have enzymes in???
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24-01-2008, 06:55 PM
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lol nothing wrong with the good old jolly green giant mate!.its a bit technical,but an interesting thread!
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24-01-2008, 07:06 PM
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Netbuster...99% of what you are posting has no relevance to carp, ditch the copy and paste science stuff mate...
As for Dean and Pete B's bait it's a cracker and customers are chuffed to bits with the product. However I agree with Deano (well what bits I understand) and that utilising enzymes in carp baits is a very hit and miss affair. If you get 1 out of 10 mixes that catch well for you then you are doing well. It's all very well showing examples in a fish tank but our quarry live in a big, bad ever changing bio-system. Remember your lake is not subject to strict laboratory conditions, temperature and therefore pH are never consistent. Look to the people who catch the most big fish. Ask if they are convinced. Awesome posts...hats off Dean, Dean and Pete B...
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