enzymes in baits.

[incognito]

pete would you not get the same end result if you made your enzyme baits into ball pellets and pellets if thats possible with this mix as they will brake down all be it at a faster rate but you can continually top up the swim with these pellets,and like you say fish something else over the top

[Pete_B]

"as the man that killed British carp fishing as we know it"

Cyanide.. the best ingredient in years....

And I thought carophyll red was bad....

Go do some research on protease enzymes and come back when you understand what they do and what parameters they work in.... and how instantly they cease to function when those parameters are changed from their optimum...

[Pete_B]

Incognito...

You cannot make them into ball pellets... enzymes require moisture....

Using them in baits is difficult enough... you are going to give me a headache.....

[saul]

Originally Posted by patos

So I take it that you are convinced i'm involved in the bait industry. Well if chucking money at a certain manufacturer in exchange for little balls of food is involved then yes, youre right.
Sorry to disappoint tho, i'm just a normal bod from oop north who's angled for many years, has a full time totally fishing un-related job, isnt a BCSG member, has a degree in common sense and real life, never been to Uni, Wife, 2 kids, dog, cat, carp in pond, 1 car, mortgage blah blah blah
Its all very dull i'm afraid, I could tell you I was Jeff Bowers fishing for ideas but that would just be a lie, hmmmmm, my pickup to fish banked ratio is good so far this year, I can see it being a good 'un
Now i'm popping off to bed now my fingers are tired but to gain some credibility from this debacle you've created lets see some facts about these so called tests, i'm sorry but I for one dont believe you have done any and you have said you have just to shut me up.
Carp at all costs, its a very poor do.....
Lets hope you got your sums right PeteB, you wouldnt want to be remembered as the man that killed British carp fishing as we know it

Just remember Patos it's not just UCN using Enzymes in their bait as many bait companys are now claiming to be using enzymes but Kebabs still scare me more

[incognito]

Originally Posted by Pete_B

Incognito...

You cannot make them into ball pellets... enzymes require moisture....

Using them in baits is difficult enough... you are going to give me a headache.....

just a thought as its possible to make pellets with most baits

[Pete_B]

"as many bait companys are now claiming to be using enzymes"

I actually think the use of enzymes is very limited, despite the claims...

[incognito]

theres your next enzyme challenge pete to make ball pellets lol

[Sugarbabe]

Like I said.....if you use eggs.....you use Enzymes....

[Pete_B]

That would require me to alter the laws of physics and chemistry.....

Someone will bring out an enzyme active ball pellet though... just wait....

[steve hurst]

Enzyme preparations have been available for over 25 years in carp fishing. Cotswold Baits, Nick Elliot's Bankside tackle and then Nutrabaits offered such products. No ready rolled bait was offered, it was just too much trouble so these 10g/20g pots were sold to the hardcore bait buffs of the day.

I can't believe people are questioning their safety when you can go to any tackle shop and buy "baits" offered by all the big players heavily loaded with solvents and dubious dyes...

[Pete_B]

Steve.... I got slightly defensive as most of the questioning aroung safety has been more of a 'fishing expedition' from other bait companies...if you see what I mean...

90% of testing has been done on the effect of the lake environment on the baits... you can control (to a certain extent) what they do before they enter the lake... I have come to the logical conclusion that enzymes that have optimum operating pH around 6.3 declining to negligible activity at pH 6.9 pose no threat to man nor beast in a lake....

Sugar... those enzymes in eggs are not wholly beneficial to a bait now are they??

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pete_B

Steve.... I got slightly defensive as most of the questioning aroung safety has been more of a 'fishing expedition' from other bait companies...if you see what I mean...

90% of testing has been done on the effect of the lake environment on the baits... you can control (to a certain extent) what they do before they enter the lake... I have come to the logical conclusion that enzymes that have optimum operating pH around 6.3 declining to negligible activity at pH 6.9 pose no threat to man nor beast in a lake....

Sugar... those enzymes in eggs are not wholly beneficial to a bait now are they??

i dont blame you for being defensive pete. but to say its a fishing expedition from other bait companies is not true i would say its the other way round when your guy came on here questioning every post that was put on.. the funny thing is i actually agree with 99.9 of what you have said this is because you are not the first to acheive what you have done. liked you claimed and when i asked the question on how do you know this your answer is ( because we are ) i do whish you well and hope you acheive what you are trying to do. i was just slightly dissapointed with the narrow mindedness with the we are the only ones claim. when there is no possible way you can know.

[netbustercarp]

Originally Posted by scotty

i dont blame you for being defensive pete. but to say its a fishing expedition from other bait companies is not true i would say its the other way round when your guy came on here questioning every post that was put on.. the funny thing is i actually agree with 99.9 of what you have said this is because you are not the first to acheive what you have done. liked you claimed and when i asked the question on how do you know this your answer is ( because we are ) i do whish you well and hope you acheive what you are trying to do. i was just slightly dissapointed with the narrow mindedness with the we are the only ones claim. when there is no possible way you can know.

my sentiments exactly

[Pete_B]

Scotty....

I have been on the internet for a long time... I first started on American forums some 15 years ago...(they were way ahead of UK forums) .... with enzyme suggestions.... I have no real point to prove on this subject, but I would love to find out who pre-dates me on producing an enzyme active bait... if such an animal is atually produced outside UCN....

Some of the current claims made to substantiate a 'buzzword' are frankly ludicrous and defy all laws of physics and chemistry.....

There are a couple of people in the baitworld who could do it... they choose not to... it is not a money making excercise.... it will never be... unless everyone is content to pay £12 per kilo... and that day is a long way off... This is my little hobby...

The baits will NOT go through a sweetmaker, the discipline in rolling counts out 99% of bait rollers... together with the time it takes to roll... The mix is unstable in high temperatures, Dean and I have proper arguments about toning the actions down....

So.. who beat me to it???

[netbustercarp]

mr nash used to make enzyme cw.not anymore though.and ive played around with various enzymes,whether it made any difference probably not.