Why the ban?

[Bebbo]

Originally Posted by Bl4cky

As with what ben says a lot of angling clubs are ran by match and pleasure anglers who are shortsighted in the way of there clubs and i was told by a top baliff of one club that if he had his way he'd flog all the carp in there lake because they're a "bloody pest!". They don't realise that if it wasn't for the carp anglers most of these clubs would cease to exist and working parties would not get done. Much as they don't won't to admit carp angling is rightly or wrongly the future of the sport and in 10/15 years time most of these clubs will be run by carp anglers.

Dont you believe it feller it was the same 35 years ago and its still gonna be the same 35 years on

[grubby pants]

Originally Posted by Rainey

Good points there blue... i was speaking to a match angler and he said he hates boilies as it gives the fish a fat stomach as its pure protein :S

Oh dear this is the exact reason boilies get banned. Ignorant people spouting off about things they know nothing about. A good boilie would be around about 40-45% protein. Even the best will not have the amino profile to allow 100% protein conversion. That means that the best of the best will probably offer less than 40% convertible protein. That’s well within the recommended protein content for the ideal diet.

Now factor in profit margins and commercial pressures and most shop bought baits will come in at well below that figure. Given that the vast majority of boilies used are supplied by bait companies, then the vast majority of boilies are not pure protein. Far from it in fact.

This sort of thing is just one of a very long list of excuses Match men roll out when they fail to catch in the numbers they expect. It’s never just a bad day/week/year it’s always somebody’s fault, usually ours.

I remember a mate and I nearly getting lynched for catching what the Match anglers considered far too many fish while they all struggled. It was pathetic, grown men making accusations of magic potions and unfair tactics. They bellyached so much to the bailiff that he had us reel in so he could check our rigs, and then he demanded to know what was in our baits. Obviously I took exception to this and after much heated argument he conceded to my assurance that everything contained within our baits could be purchased by anybody from a leading bait company. It was pathetic and a totally unnecessary occurrence that blighted what should have been a red letter day. No big surprise that not long after this boilies were banned with some nonsense excuse given as the reason.

[Joephus]

1. Wanting to avoid carp anglers fishing/joining the lake/club.

2. Misguided knowledge of boilies, maybe 10 years ago when it was added as a rule and never changed.

You either listen to it or ignore it at your own risk.

[Chesh]

i thought i would add my thoughts to this thread and my own experiences of this as i havehad them on some waters in the midlands in the past..

Boilies.. some commercial fishery managers havent the foggiest clue on what goes into a boilie, how long they take to break down, the effect they have on other speices etc.. which is why they wont allow them... surely the amount of captures and larger more private angling organisations that do allow boilies would be able to bang their heads together and educate them onto the positives of introducing a food source that not just carp would eat.. i.e. bream.. how many anglers catch bream on boilies? and what happens when they take the hookbait? they have inevitable gobbled up the freebies around it.. dont take much for an organisation/angling club to realise that match weights would go up with the bream putting on weight etc.. so what happens if the bream and carp and tench dont eat the boilies? they break down and the smaller silver fish tuck in on what is effectively groundbait jobs a goodun everyone wins!

i had this on a water in the midlands that had a boilie and method feeder ban, yet you could use a swim feeder.... solution, find the biggest feeder and cast it out armed with groundbait.. simple.. yet the method was banned? i probably put enough grounbait out in 25 casts that you would do with 5 casts of the method feeder and not getting a run etc.. you get the picture..

so boilie bans.. a good idea or is a case of education not condemnation needed? what clubs will find is that the growth area of the sport is carp.. end of! so if carp are going to make the club money in order to keep up with lease payments and developments of waters then they will soon switch their minds.

any of that make sense? im on a right one today lol

[mancity]

Right guys -

I am trying to get around a boilie-ban. So, what constitutes a boilie?

Its shape? The fact that it is boiled?

If I made them barrel shaped and/ or steamed them would it still be a boilie because I reckon not as boilie = Boiled, so would it be a steamie if steamed?

Or what about making sausages and cutting them to the desired shape when at the water?, surely this would be a bait stick or something, not a boilie?

[Rainey]

Originally Posted by mancity

I am trying to get around a boilie-ban. So, what constitutes a boilie?

You aint half controvshal *SP* at the moment mate

[mancity]

'sp' ???

[Rainey]

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[philntomo]

so would it be a steamie if steamed?

i can just vision the new updated signs!

NO Boilies
NO Steamies
No Roasties
NO Friedies
No Grilldies

[Rainey]

What about if i do them in the george foreman?

[mancity]

Lol,

Surely if its not boiled and not round it isnt a boilie though?

[Blue]

Originally Posted by mancity

Right guys -

I am trying to get around a boilie-ban. So, what constitutes a boilie?

Its shape? The fact that it is boiled?

If I made them barrel shaped and/ or steamed them would it still be a boilie because I reckon not as boilie = Boiled, so would it be a steamie if steamed?

Or what about making sausages and cutting them to the desired shape when at the water?, surely this would be a bait stick or something, not a boilie?

Normally a boilie ban means, boilies are banned, be it boiled, poached, fried or steamed and regardless of shape!

Put it this way, if I walked into your kitchen with a fag in me mouth and you said, "sorry, no cigarettes in my kitchen" and I then returned with a cigar in me mouth, you'd probably see your @rse. Technically I could argue you only said cigarettes were banned, not cigars! Same thing with your boilie bans...

[Rainey]

Originally Posted by Blue

Normally a boilie ban means, boilies are banned, be it boiled, poached, fried or steamed.

Put it this way, if I walked into your kitchen with a fag in me mouth and you said, "sorry, no cigarettes in my kitchen" and I then returned with a cigar in me mouth, you'd probably see your @rse. Same thing with your boilie bans...

Like the smoking ban as you are actually allowed to smoke a pipe as they proved on top gear... any way moving on,.

[mancity]

yeah but.........

Actually, I cant be asred now

Ill get be fekin particles out and shut up

[gazza]

Originally Posted by mancity

Right guys -

I am trying to get around a boilie-ban.

Make up your boilie paste and use that. If it aint boiled it aint a boilie, plenty of matchmen use paste so you should have no problem