No boillies!

[johnny dry net]

Can anyone please tell me why some lakes containing carp dont allow you to use boillies? . Surely as popular as carp fishing is, the baits that are made now are safe for the fish to eat. Whats everyone think?

[Stig]

Fanshawe lane pool on SOTAS card does not allow boilies

[gaz]

I had this argument with the head baliff from a local fishing club i wont name the reason he gave was they had found a dead carp on one of the pools years ago when they cut it open it was full of boilies.So in his wisdom he blamed them!

[Dan]

I'm on the committee of a club that has boilies banned on all but the 2 main carp waters and i had to argue for them. Boilies are still percieved to be dangerous for fish by non-carp anglers and its gonna take time to convince them otherwise. I did manage to relax the rule on one pool but then some prat put a good buckets worth of bait in a 1/2 an acre lake and the carp didn't feed as well for a good month.

The only way forward from this is a) teach non-carp anglers about the benefit of boilies to carp, and b) stop the few prats out there spoiling it for the rest of us

[WHEEZY]

many years ago boilies was made with a lot of robbin red.its been said it was turning the carp pink

[PJW]

Many years ago the vast majority of boilies were made of high levels of milk protiens, milk is one of the worste pollutants that could possibly be allowed to enter a water course (ask the environment agency). The minute bacteria that is the mainstay of life within a watercourse are killed by the presence of milk, which in turn has a knock on effect throughout the food chain.
Most of the objections were not originally aimed at the use of boilies but at the large amount that were being used. We have all heared how so and so caught one carp after baiting up with 5-10 kilos of bait. That is a lot of milk protiens which not only cause microorganisms to die but can also alter the ph. balance as it begins to break down.

[Julian Grattidge]

Whilst I dare say all the above are more than enough for some clubs to ban their use, I would suggest the main reason is the problem of preservatives in shelf-life boilies. Because they are loaded up to the hilt with nasties, if they do not get eaten they will just sit on the lake bed for months or even years on end, and thus reduce the water quality, which as PJW says, is not good in terms of sustaining the balanced PH required for a healthy fishery.

A shame really as a good quality fresh bait would do a great deal of good for all species in a water, but I guess you can’t blame them for wanting the best for their stocks, even if some controlling bodies may be a little misguided in their approach.

Also, I would say much is to do with the anglers that they do/don’t want fishing the place. If you ban boilies you are effectively aiming your water at the general coarse angler, for as we know, carp anglers are only allowed to use boilies as bait as nothing else could possibly work.

Originally Posted by Julian Grattidge

for as we know, carp anglers are only allowed to use boilies as bait as nothing else could possibly work.

pmsl how true !

[Stig]

Ok im not a big boilie user as i dont really have that much confidence in them but i have to admit that on their day they can be magic esp the fishy flavoured ones have no confidence in toots at all as one time 6 of us went fishing and all using identical setups near enough and they all caught and were getting bleeps +liners all the time i sat there for 30 odd hours without so much as a sniff then cut one toots in half and put it one of my rods and got a screaming run i snatched the rod up and it swam towards me weeded itself so my mate scooped up a landing net full of weed fish as well and when we peeled back all the weed there sat a big fat roach about 2 lb - 2.5 lb.
Having diversified i will get back to what i was gonna say .If the clubs that have banned boilies as they can sit on the bottom for months even years as Jules said IF they allow the use of fresh boilies with no shelf life etc how the hell can you tell what people are firing /have fired in and how do you tell once they are on the hook etc .What i am asking is without the packaging how do you know they are either loaded with preservatives or are good wholsome preservative free boilies.
I am pretty sure you cant so thats why clubs and fishery owners ban them as they dont feel all anglers can be trusted to only use preservative free bait.
YET AGAIN THE FEW UNSCUPULOUS ANGLERS MESS IT UP FOR THE REST OF US RULE ABIDING ANGLERS

even with the packets mate theres never any list of ingredients anyway so we never know whats in them .............i think its more about trusting that the supplier is using quality ingredients........................

[Julian Grattidge]

Originally Posted by Phil highlander

i think its more about trusting that the supplier is using quality ingredients........................

Nail. Head.

[Blue]

This explains a bit about it.

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/authors/bruno07.htm

[johnny dry net]

So really the companys who manufacture these shelf life boillies couldnt give a toss about what their baits may do to a fish or fishery over a long period of time, as long as they keep selling and making money then thats ok?

I find fresh baits are alot more successful to use anyway and if theyre good enough for the fish then thats good enough for me. Carp safety is the most important thing to me and after reading about shelf life boillies i certainly wont be using them. Maybe in small amounts they are ok to use, but like you say, theres the catagory of anglers who take it to the extreme and pile them in, which i suppose suggests why some places ban them, a good idea then if the safety of the fish may be at risk. Thanks for the info fellas

Originally Posted by johnny dry net

I find fresh baits are alot more successful to use anyway

Fresh only for me...............shelfies and 'euro' boilies ..............pah wouldnt even feed em to the tufties

Never really used shelf life boiies myself (apart from Techni-spice), which i have to say completely nailed a water once, great bait.... I prefer frozen though!!!

But they may not be as bad as people think.... they did used to be bad, full of all the dodgy preservatives and stuff but if you got last weeks carp-talk and read the article from Ken Townley i think he begs to differ on this topic and totally rates them, especially when both used together, i think he says a lot of the field testers are doing that now and getting great results......