Where can I buy them

[mancity]

Hi guys,

I was wondering if anybody has ever come across a place that sells amino acids which can be used in baits?. I only want the amino acids themselves, not an 'amino acid rich pellet or boilie'.

I searched the net for ages and ages last night and all I found was health sites selling pills and some rather wierd (what can only be described) porno sites

Thanks guys

[andy_s]

do you mean you want to buy a single amino acid for youe boilie??
whay would you want to do that,?? if you don;t mind me askin??

[mancity]

Wanting to see if you can buy the amino acids on their own, rather than buy a flavour which has some amino acid content in.

Just looking into it for possible bait ingredients

[skilledhandz]

You can buy certain aminos from quality baits and newfield baits.If you use a quality fishmeal like LT94 you have a complete amino profile so no need for a top up there.Certain aminos can trigger feeding and these are best used in a capsule form from the chemist.They are quite expensive and ask yourself would a normal dip of done the job at a lower price.Try Prostex around £12 for 90 capsules.

[Joephus]

Amino acids, enzymes and this lot.

There are millions of amino acids so some research into the ones useful to carp or at least the ones they can detect if any.
Will they survive the boiling, freezing, storage process?

Just using a fishmeal like LT94 doesnt from what i understand give you any amino acids to be honest. There in there, there in protien so there in there. Its the getting them out thats tricky. Enzymes can break down protiens into amino acids, but then you have to get hold of the right enzymes and not kill them in the making of the bait.
Some will be released as the bait sits on the lake bed, but increasing this with enzymes could make a good bait a very good bait.

Words like active, complete amino profile, enzymes etc are thrown about loads by bait companies as it sounds nice and makes people think they are going to catch. 90% of the the time its advertising tosh.

[mancity]

Basically was considering making a paste to wrap around boilies with the 9 essential amino acids. Thought it may be a decent idea

Histidine
Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Theronine
Tryptophan
Valine

[Deano]

As already stated the aminos are initially locked up in the proteins and need enzymatic digestion to release them.Carp do possess enzymes though so are capable of digesting proteins releasing the amino's they would die if they couldnt do this.
LT94 will definitely have a good amino profile much better than cheaper 'high temperature' fishmeals where a lot of the protein can be destroyed in the drying process but not all.I read that the best ingredients to obtain an optimal amino profile in a carp bait is to use a combination of milk proteins.A combination of
Lactalbumin and rennet casein
or calcium caseinate, rennet casein and whey protein concentrate
try simply adding these to your mix as opposed to small amounts of isolated amino's.It will probably work out cheaper and produce a similar feeding response.

[mancity]

Thanks mates

[smokey]

Originally Posted by Deano

As already stated the aminos are initially locked up in the proteins and need enzymatic digestion to release them.Carp do possess enzymes though so are capable of digesting proteins releasing the amino's they would die if they couldnt do this.
LT94 will definitely have a good amino profile much better than cheaper 'high temperature' fishmeals where a lot of the protein can be destroyed in the drying process but not all.I read that the best ingredients to obtain an optimal amino profile in a carp bait is to use a combination of milk proteins.A combination of
Lactalbumin and rennet casein
or calcium caseinate, rennet casein and whey protein concentrate
try simply adding these to your mix as opposed to small amounts of isolated amino's.It will probably work out cheaper and produce a similar feeding response.

out of all that th eword i love the most is SIMPLY lol .... to be there aint nothing simple about it lol ...... il stick to my freezer baits ... eith that or il go back to makin blended up bread and egg boillies lol LMAO

smokey

[diggerman]

if we go to all htis trouble making baits how many of us then go for a pass and then bait up

[Deano]

Originally Posted by smokey

out of all that th eword i love the most is SIMPLY lol .... to be there aint nothing simple about it lol ...... il stick to my freezer baits ... eith that or il go back to makin blended up bread and egg boillies lol LMAO

smokey

just trying to help mucker...lol....

[steve hurst]

Originally Posted by mancity

Basically was considering making a paste to wrap around boilies with the 9 essential amino acids. Thought it may be a decent idea

Histidine
Isoleucine
Leucine
Lysine
Methionine
Phenylalanine
Theronine
Tryptophan
Valine

Nutrabaits used to to the "Addit" range and amongst other things they contained free form aminos plus the requisite enzyme preparation.

I did use them but hand on heart I don't think they made a great difference to my home made baits. And I used to make them to very strict standards with the help off the lab boys at work.

I don't know if Nutrabaits still sell them?

[scotty]

Like deano has said mancity/ you would be better trying to establish a bait with which has a complete nutritional profile that should allow the carp to feed in its own enviroment without having to feed on anything else.which would give them good growth / tissue repair and so on. a good food bait will be around 16% oils 40% protiens carbohydrates and a good vitamin&mineral content. Biological value of about 98% . if you can introduce a mix containig the above and its in the swim when they pass over it your success rate should rise quite considerably. I use three enzymes in all my mixes amylase to brake down carbs into starches.lipase to break down fats and protease to break down the proteins each of these all do the right jobs so the fish can benefit being able to digest them and gain vital nutrition.As soon as these baits hit the lake bed the bacterias in the water and the enzymes start to weave threre magic and begin to break the baits down this is when like jophus says can turn a good bait into a really good bait with fish being drawn in by the chemical reaction triggering them to throw caution to the wind and feed more heavier.Im also trying out certain bacterias at the moment in some testing and its having some interesting results.

[Deano]

Originally Posted by scotty

Like deano has said mancity/ you would be better trying to establish a bait with which has a complete nutritional profile that should allow the carp to feed in its own enviroment without having to feed on anything else.which would give them good growth / tissue repair and so on. a good food bait will be around 16% oils 40% protiens carbohydrates and a good vitamin&mineral content. Biological value of about 98% . if you can introduce a mix containig the above and its in the swim when they pass over it your success rate should rise quite considerably. I use three enzymes in all my mixes amylase to brake down carbs into starches.lipase to break down fats and protease to break down the proteins each of these all do the right jobs so the fish can benefit being able to digest them and gain vital nutrition.As soon as these baits hit the lake bed the bacterias in the water and the enzymes start to weave threre magic and begin to break the baits down this is when like jophus says can turn a good bait into a really good bait with fish being drawn in by the chemical reaction triggering them to throw caution to the wind and feed more heavier.Im also trying out certain bacterias at the moment in some testing and its having some interesting results.

thats a good point about the bacteria scotty.Those little critters can break down virtually anything and if they cant they usually mutate rapidly to produce offspring that can.The bacteria are a very useful aid in helping a carp baits attraction as they will begin to break down the proteins into aminos and in turn attract the fish.This is a great topic and one which I love but you still cant beat sweetcorn...lol.....

[incognito]

if your only using it for paste don`t understand where your coming from.there is a top ready made paste for pence in belachan.or you can make your own using raw liver,sardines,mackeral,mussels,prawns,or anything else you can think of just mix with a cheap base mix or semo soya after blending and jobs a good un totally natural can`t over do it and you can make up loads for next to nothing.also if you boil it will make you cheap boilies.