Winter Bait Choice ?

[Deano]

Originally Posted by steve hurst

I hope the carp find it more digestible than I do Dean.

Every time I inspect my log sweetcorn seems to be in there!!

Thats DISGUSTING.... but it is true...lol...

Originally Posted by rockinruss

You can complicate things too much mate with regards to the choice of bait mate, i used to fish with a guy who was trying allsorts through the winter. My freezer used to be filled with unwanted winter baits which he had rolled and wanted to throw away. The guy put more effort into bait than location and his results suffered.

Stick to something tried and tested mate - winters are alot warmer these days, so there's quite alot of scope with regards to bait and fish meals.

Grange, Activ8 & NRG have all proven successful for me mate, its just a personal touch with what bait u choose, you will get loads of replies of what bait to use - which may confuse you more. Just make sure you apply it to the right area's in the lake and concentrate on being on the fish all the time

here here i have used mainline bait for as long as i can remember and had some good fish on it steve and kev put a lot of time and mony into makeing a new bait so there not just going to throw any old sh**t together yes thay r bisuness men but there also carp anglers you only have to look at the catch reports all over the uk and abroad to c it catches fish yes there not the only bait firm around but the catch reports speak for themselves as russ has said u can over complicate things good water craft is far more inportant
get on the activ8 m8 if thats what the fish want then give it too them u say u want to be different well u can sill be different when still using the same bait as every1 else there r loads of diffrent sizes of bait u could use from 8ms to 40ms u dont have to just put a boily on stright out of the bag how many people use half a boily or chop it down to the shape and size of a pellet ( nice touch russ ) there r loads of different presentations u could use the hardest part is finding the fish good luk

[Deano]

Originally Posted by steve hurst

I hope the carp find it more digestible than I do Dean.

Every time I inspect my log sweetcorn seems to be in there!!

there is actually a scientific explanation to this phenomenon.The shell of sweetcorn is composed of cellulose(fibre) which is not readily digested by our intestinal/stomach enzymes. The stuff inside the sweetcorn though is more easily digested.So there you go..

[BRUN]

i think my brother is going to take some Vision Baits LT94, and he has loads of Premier Matrix left

[Joephus]

Would baiting with sweetcorn provide the fish enough nutrition to warrent a return visit?

A good winter bait would be as easy to digest and more nutriotional.

And for those who feel over thinking bait is a bad thing, its not. I like to know what makes a good bait a good bait and a bad one a bad one. It may catch me one extra fish every year, it may catch me the same but i enjoy learning about carp fishing. I started carping when boilies where avalible from shops, doesnt mean i just have to pick up a mainline,nash bag and fish with it cause it says its good. I like to learn about our sport and bait is a big part of that. If you know nothing about it then no its not important, a bait that catches you some fish is fine. But with a little thought and some tweaking that bait could catch you 6 fish in half the time, but suppose thats too 'tecnical.'

Wait for shelley or someone to write about it in an article then people will be talking about it.

[Joephus]

Does a different shaped/sized bait really fool the fish? Now dont just give the magazine answer, take a step back and think about it.

Can a fish tell the difference when its right in front of him, taking into considertion his vision! Does he care?
If you are fishing over bait have you changed all the freebies too the same shape? If not then mr.carp has probably only ever been caught on wittled down baits and never eaten a safe one, if you give carp that much credit.

Or could it be due to the different way these baits fall through the water or there weight distribution. When in a carps mouth most of the time cause the bait is on a string it wants to fall out, now sometimes the hook touches the mouth and we are away! Other times it just falls out, bigger, oddly shaped baits can edge your odds here.

just my thoughts on an earlier post.

[Deano]

Originally Posted by Joephus

Would baiting with sweetcorn provide the fish enough nutrition to warrent a return visit?

A good winter bait would be as easy to digest and more nutriotional.

I have thought about this factor and yes I think a 'good' boilie would do a better job nutritionally, but cost is a major factor I'm afraid. Also the water I plan to do this on is gin clear so i was looking for something that is visual.I am hoping that just the presence of food on a regular basis is enough to keep the fish active...surely even sweetcorn is better than nothing Also the possible attentions of small fish may also stir up the carps attentions in other words try and get a 'feeding situation' going. I know sweetcorn is a good bait whether its the best nutrionally I doubt it but if the fish like it for whatever reason that will do for me.
Only time will tell as i have never tried it before..

[steve hurst]

Originally Posted by Deano

there is actually a scientific explanation to this phenomenon.The shell of sweetcorn is composed of cellulose(fibre) which is not readily digested by our intestinal/stomach enzymes. The stuff inside the sweetcorn though is more easily digested.So there you go..

I'm not saying that I don't believe you Dean but I'm going to pick these shells out and check for myself...

[Joephus]

But isnt 1 kilo of good winter boilies - £10 worth more than what 8kilos or whatever of sweetcorn. Some very nice white baits about for winter use, thats got to be visual enough. If its for a winter baiting campaign then 1kilo will probably do you 2 or 3 trips.

[Deano]

Originally Posted by steve hurst

I'm not saying that I don't believe you Dean but I'm going to pick these shells out and check for myself...

......I used to catch loads of trout from trentham gardens on corn they loved it....when gutting them their sh*t was full of sweetcorn shells...I'd rather sift through a bit of trout cr*p than a human one anytime..lol...lol...

[Deano]

Originally Posted by Joephus

But isnt 1 kilo of good winter boilies - £10 worth more than what 8kilos or whatever of sweetcorn. Some very nice white baits about for winter use, thats got to be visual enough. If its for a winter baiting campaign then 1kilo will probably do you 2 or 3 trips.

All valid points but I just thought that the corn may be useful, do you think 1 kilo of boilies a week would be enough... I dont think it would, I can afford to put a couple of kgs of corn in at a time but not boilies. I will just see what happens.there arnt many birds on the water so hopefully any bait that goes will be from the fish....mind you i think there is one coot on there... I'll have to see what happens....

[steve hurst]

I never knew there were any trout in there?

Are they still in?

[Deano]

Originally Posted by steve hurst

I never knew there were any trout in there?

Are they still in?

probably a few left in there...dont know how long trout live though.This was in the late 80's early 90's when it was a trout and co**** fishery.There was loads of trout in there they were easier to catch than anything else.Also nice with a few chips and a bit of salad....

[robnichol]

im not sure i would only put sweetcorn in, but if used in conjunction with something like a bit of hemp then you must be on a winner. There aren't many fish in the land that haven't been, or can't be, tempted off a bed of hemp with either corn or maize. Thats just my opinion though.

[BRUN]

ill be using mostly boilies, the place where im fishing you really need to be casting to an island, and as im just starting up back into all of this i dont have any spod gear yet so a pile of hemp/corn is out of the question i think

but, i could dry it off with groundbait and put some in a PVA bag, i am going to take some Maize with me anyway, probably a tin of the dynamite stuff