Help my confidence!!

[monty]

I've formulated a new bait for this season and I'm having a confidence crisis!
The tench and bream like it. but the carp have been few.
Admittedly I have been fishing a hard water and I've stuck with it but I feel I should of had more chances.

I'de be grateful of any constructive critisism you guys may have.


5 OZ PRE-DIGESTED FISHMEAL ............................6 EGGS
5OZ SARDINE & ANCHOVY MEAL .........................30 ml SALMON OIL
5OZ WHITE FISHMEAL .......................................30 ML MOLLASES
9OZ SLUIS C.L.O. ...........................................30ML MARINE AMINO
2OZ ROBIN RED ...............................................12 DRPS B P OIL
1OZ BREWERS YEAST
5OZ VITAMEALO
2OZ EGG ALBUMIN
1OZ SEAWEED
1OZ GLM

cheers

[THE SNIPER]

get on a pastie water and try it out fella
if the bream and tench eat it the carp ''should''

[Bl4cky]

agree with the top message. if you can get on a runs water and have succesful results over a measured period of time (try your own bait against a proven catcher) and if your happy with the results get on your target water and give it to them in places you know they visit. if you keep trickling it in and they accept it the results should follow but don't worry if it doesn't happen overnight. introducing a new bait can take time for the fish to accept it but when they do you should reap the rewards. rome wasn't built in a day!

[kevw]

There's a lot of questions that I'd ask before changing anything Monty, is this your first season on the water or have you fished it before

If you've fished it before did you catch
If you caught why change

If you haven't fished it before then are you on the fish, you say it's a hard water but are you doing overnighters or long sessions, are you prebaiting or piling it in and sitting on it

If bream and tench like it then sooner or later a carp will pick it up, but you need to be fishing the right areas at the right times.

If it's a new venue then I'd suggest you use a bait that you have caught on before and are confident in, if it isn't a new venue and you are fishing areas that have produced in the past then I'd switch back to what you've caught on previously.

If you are trying to establish your bait then keep going, it's only a matter of time before a carp picks it up

More questions than answers and have probably not helped really

[Deano]

Originally Posted by monty

I've formulated a new bait for this season and I'm having a confidence crisis!
The tench and bream like it. but the carp have been few.
Admittedly I have been fishing a hard water and I've stuck with it but I feel I should of had more chances.

I'de be grateful of any constructive critisism you guys may have.


5 OZ PRE-DIGESTED FISHMEAL ............................6 EGGS
5OZ SARDINE & ANCHOVY MEAL .........................30 ml SALMON OIL
5OZ WHITE FISHMEAL .......................................30 ML MOLLASES
9OZ SLUIS C.L.O. ...........................................30ML MARINE AMINO
2OZ ROBIN RED ...............................................12 DRPS B P OIL
1OZ BREWERS YEAST
5OZ VITAMEALO
2OZ EGG ALBUMIN
1OZ SEAWEED
1OZ GLM

cheers

36 ounces to a 6 egg mix seems a bit high but then again you are using a lot of liquids.Looks a decent mix mate cant see why it wont catch TBH.You could try it on a runs water but being honest although it might boost your confidence it doesnt tell you much about whether or not your target fish are eating it.

I did a sesh on an easy water the other week and hammered the place on a very cheap mix containing a lot of soya and semo.I would put money on it that other anglers on that day(who caught nothing) were possibly on nutritionally better baits but its how and where you put your bait and end tackle that can make all the difference IMO.

Try and get some margin spots going with the bait to at least let you know if the fish like it.I did quite a few sessions over winter on a bait that I would say is pretty good and has been proven so over the last few months.I never had a run on it over winter but was possibly only fishing for 9 fish as some went over into the shallow pond next door during the winter floods

Try and get your location right and I think that bait will catch no problems

[Deano]

Just as an after thought I'd probably add a little FF soya meal to that lot.Good binder, cheap, fish like it and keeps the cost down...say 5oz to that mix should do it.Still not sure you are rolling all that lot with 6 eggs mind or unless you are just giving us your mix ratios and are just mixing up with that mix as I wouldnt have thought much more than 30 oz would be needed even with 90ml of liquids. I could be wrong....

[netbustercarp]

is that the recommended dosage for those liquids? they seem a bit high to me

[Deano]

The BP seems high wouldnt of thought the others could be easily over cooked...but still could be money down the drain

[netbustercarp]

think you may be overdoing it with the molasses a bit,would use half that amount,thats probably why your getting breamed out,they like it sweet!

[netbustercarp]

Originally Posted by monty

I've formulated a new bait for this season and I'm having a confidence crisis!
The tench and bream like it. but the carp have been few.
Admittedly I have been fishing a hard water and I've stuck with it but I feel I should of had more chances.

I'de be grateful of any constructive critisism you guys may have.


5 OZ PRE-DIGESTED FISHMEAL ............................6 EGGS
5OZ SARDINE & ANCHOVY MEAL .........................30 ml SALMON OIL
5OZ WHITE FISHMEAL .......................................30 ML MOLLASES
9OZ SLUIS C.L.O. ...........................................30ML MARINE AMINO
2OZ ROBIN RED ...............................................12 DRPS B P OIL
1OZ BREWERS YEAST
5OZ VITAMEALO
2OZ EGG ALBUMIN
1OZ SEAWEED
1OZ GLM

cheers

and a more balanced base mix would be
200g pre digested fishmeal
100g sardine anchovy meal
100g white fishmeal
100g clo
50g robin red
50g brewers yeast
100g soya flour full fat
100g semolina
25g seaweed
25g glm
50g egg albumun
100g vitamealo

[Stig]

As blacky said try it against a proven catcher on a runs water fish 1 rod with your new bait and the other on the catcher cast em to the same ish areas and simply see what happens .

Ive always found with any new bait either home made or shop bought it's always a try it and see situation

[monty]

Thanks guys You've banished my reservations. Not much wrong with the mix.

The liquid ingredients appart from the Black pepper oil are not easy to overdose. The ratio's between the liquids and the basemix are not exact. I just add the basemix to the lquids until the right consistency is achieved.

The bp oil in the finished mix is not at all overpowering to my senses. I've tried to steer away from semo and soya, not because they make a bad bait just to be a little different because most baits contain them. But the 'taste' of the bait is more powerful than your normal comercial basemix but as I like to do two or three night sessions and am not a frequent caster I don't think thats a problem.

The seaweed and the marine amino do make for a salty tasting bait but again I don't think thats detrimental to the bait. I'm quite happy to omit or reduce the mollases but I include it not just for the sweetness i believe it adds to the attractiveness of the bait. I don't mind catching the other species, it's a low stock lake (2 fish/acre) and I like a bit of activity over the baits.

Carp love Robin Red but I may get away with halving the inclusion rate without diluting to much it's affect what do you think?

Thanks for the response. on some forums I would get responses from people giving advice without having had experience in formulating baits or being experienced carp anglers, which makes you reluctant to take the comments seriously without knowing the posters. I know thats not the case with you guys cheers.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by monty

Thanks guys You've banished my reservations. Not much wrong with the mix.

The liquid ingredients appart from the Black pepper oil are not easy to overdose. The ratio's between the liquids and the basemix are not exact. I just add the basemix to the lquids until the right consistency is achieved.

The bp oil in the finished mix is not at all overpowering to my senses. I've tried to steer away from semo and soya, not because they make a bad bait just to be a little different because most baits contain them. But the 'taste' of the bait is more powerful than your normal comercial basemix but as I like to do two or three night sessions and am not a frequent caster I don't think thats a problem.

The seaweed and the marine amino do make for a salty tasting bait but again I don't think thats detrimental to the bait. I'm quite happy to omit or reduce the mollases but I include it not just for the sweetness i believe it adds to the attractiveness of the bait. I don't mind catching the other species, it's a low stock lake (2 fish/acre) and I like a bit of activity over the baits.

Carp love Robin Red but I may get away with halving the inclusion rate without diluting to much it's affect what do you think?

Thanks for the response. on some forums I would get responses from people giving advice without having had experience in formulating baits or being experienced carp anglers, which makes you reluctant to take the comments seriously without knowing the posters. I know thats not the case with you guys cheers.

monty i would have a look how netbusters listed the mix....this is pretty acurate....as for the liquids i would be more happy using them quantitys to 12 eggs....its quite high for 6... other than that mate it should catch fish...

[scotty]

i forgot mate if you dont want the soya/semo in just up the sluis and the kelp...

[monty]

Thanks guys.

Heres another question for you.
I will be taking this bait with me to france this year fishing a wild water that has crays and the dreaded poison chat catfish.

The way this bait is formulated it has a 'open' texture. I like it that way. Also it has a soft centre due to the egg albumen. But in france It will need to be far more resistant to the crays and poison chat.
That means a finer texture. I can achieve that with soya and semo but also it will need to be much harder. I'm thinking of using whole egg powder to harden it all the way through.
I could use a whey powder, whey gell or even up the egg albumin but they all cost a packet. whole egg is the cheapest.
I will also be drying the baits out.

Will whole egg do what I want? If not anyone know any cheap alternatives?

Just to make thinks a little more complicated I'll be using square baits. I know round baits will last longer but I'll just have to cope with that.