[Carp Crazy]

Thanks for all the ifo guys. have looked into loads of baits, been to local waters i fish and gone for MB Baits Snail & Shell. brought some of a monkey on the site , who was a sound guy. think the best advise which hit me was stick with a bait and stop switching. from now on dont think about baits all the time .... think about the fishing!
Thanks guys

[MANAGER]

Originally Posted by Callum91

dont go for all the big names like mainline imo,
stick to the smaller companys..

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY TO GO FOR SMALL BAIT COMPANIES IN PREFERENCE TO THE BIG BOYS.

[diggerman]

matrix six quid a kilo nutrabaits 12 quid a kilo twice as good worth the money in my opion no you get what you pay for is not right here

[MANAGER]

That price surely depends on what quantities are being purchased, and availability comes into the equation for the majority of bait buyers.
Having said that, you have a valid point, if the £6 bait is as effective as the £12 bait (and if you meant premier matrix, then I would say it's better than the £12 bait).

The question was not aimed at you anyway, I just wanted Callum to explain his reasoning behind the statement.



ps, I obtain Mainline baits for £5.50 a kilo, fieldtester's rate, via a friend.
The middlemen must add a lot of extra cost.

[aphplumb12]

most of the big companies have been going for years and have started out the same as all the smaller companies in the back kitchen,garden shed e.t.c the bigger companies our well known because they have built there reputation up over the years and are constantly advertising there baits in mags at shows and on dvds thats why there costs are alot more than the smaller companies, but because they are well known they can get away with it,
if say joe bloggs bait firm being a smaller unknown company was to try and sell there bait for £12 a kilo they wouldnt sell much because they have not been heard of but if they were to put thousands of pounds worth of advertising out and sponsor a couple of well known anglers they would certainly sell more. it has nothing to do with the quality most bait firms can make a kilo of base mix for around £1.00 with quality ingrediants its just the amount they buy it in that brings down the cost alot of the smaller not so well known companies actualy produce bait that is alot better quality than the big companies because they can not aford to have any bad press.

[rogue trader]

it would all depend on the head of fish really,do you need to establish a bait? i am guessing please correct me if im wrong, but i would guess it has a good head of fish, ? as boilie baron says particles loads cheaper and can be far more affective , mainline bait is a banker (as well as scotty bait ltd)but if you can fish it cheaper with the same results if not better then dont get sucked in to the boilie brigade , dont get blinkered mate , i watched a mate take a water apart on sweetcorn when it was known as a boilie water , food for thought mate

[aphplumb12]

Originally Posted by rogue trader

it would all depend on the head of fish really,do you need to establish a bait? i am guessing please correct me if im wrong, but i would guess it has a good head of fish, ? as boilie baron says particles loads cheaper and can be far more affective , mainline bait is a banker (as well as scotty bait ltd)but if you can fish it cheaper with the same results if not better then dont get sucked in to the boilie brigade , dont get blinkered mate , i watched a mate take a water apart on sweetcorn when it was known as a boilie water , food for thought mate

i use plenty of particle as well especialy maize. your mate wasnt ray off dodds was it

[rogue trader]

Originally Posted by aphplumb12

i use plenty of particle as well especialy maize. your mate wasnt ray off dodds was it

maybe

[Callum91]

Originally Posted by MANAGER

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY TO GO FOR SMALL BAIT COMPANIES IN PREFERENCE TO THE BIG BOYS.

it works out alot cheaper especially if you are ordering mass amounts

[nick27g]

What bait you decide to use must also be considered against what sort of fishing you are doing.

For one off trips then it may be worth considering Attractor baits/Shelf Lifes, and maybe having a back up and even a Food Source bait that is fairly instant. If you are going long term campaign then you are better off with Food Source baits. Quoted below is a post of mine from another forum that may interest

Despite what we all think there is no Ultimate Carp Bait YET!

When it comes to choosing a bait, choose a bait with some history of catching Carp.

Spend some time selecting a bait to suit your needs, either by reading articles on the bait, looking through Bait Companies Brochures and catalogues or even getting on the phone to them.

When it comes to choosing a Bait then remember the difference in types, an Attractor Bait, Food Source Baits, and Hi-Attract/Overflavored Hi Viz baits.

Attractor baits are best used in limited quantities, maybe as few as 1 or 2 around the hookbait. They may have a limited life in terms of feeding and catching of as little as hours. They may attract Carp into the swim, then due to their limited Nutritional Value they may cease to work after a period of time.

You then have the Hi-Attract Overflavoured and Hi-Viz Baits. These baits are designed usually to be hookbait only, to get the Carp to be inquisitive, to try it.

Food Source baits are long term baits, they are balanced Food Source or Nutritional Baits. They become a Food Source that the Carp will actively search for to provide their Nutrition, this bait will provide Protein, Fats, Carbohydrates and Vitamins and Minerals. To enjoy the best results on them then Pre-bait with them, and put as much in as possible when you leave. It may even be worth with fishing with limited amount of bait in the swim at a time. The pre-baiting is to build up the Carps confidence in the Food. If you hook a Carp on the Bait first time you use it then it may stop eating it.
Once you have chosen a Bait, then give it a fair trial. It may not catch immediately, but if it is a viable Food Source then it will, or is very likely to start to catch, if it is fished properly.
Try to use a GOOD quality base mix with Natural Nutrition. These ingredients will provide Natural Attraction to the Bait.
Only Use Fresh Bait, Dry mixes have a Shelf Life. The recommended life for a Fishmeal mix is 6months, even less if you have Milk Protein Ingredients. It is best to make up as much as possible with Fresh Ingredients, including eggs, then split it down to smaller quantities and freeze it. It is also best NOT to Refreeze after a session any leftover bait. This leftover bait can be put into the lake or river. It is your pre-baiting for the next trip. Any bait the Carp find that they don't get hooked over will only increase their confidence in the Bait as a Food

Bait Rolling companies (rather than the original Base Mix manufacturer) can be worth speaking to, and it is possible to get some GOOD Post Free Deals that in the scheme of things bring down the cost of the bait with the extra that they supply; pellets, hookbaits, glugs/dip etc.

[stotty]

why not create your own what some one else aint got?..... go to premierbaits site and have a mooch about, plenty of flavours/additives etc... to go at. and there great for carp and your wallet....

[Bank Tramp]

have a look at perfection groundbaits

[diggerman]

if carp get use to baits how come they always get caught on gentles

[simplescale]

any good qualityfreezer b8 isgd

[MANAGER]

Originally Posted by diggerman

if carp get use to baits how come they always get caught on gentles

For everyone that catches a carp, there are thousands thrown in the water that don't.

Same with any mass bait.