[STAFFBULLTERRIER]

just what are some people doing to our quarry?
Presevatives: Are they killing our fish? | News | Gofishing.co.uk | Go Fishing UK

[MANAGER]

Don't forget, these fish only had the supplied food to feed on.
In an angling situation, boilies are only a small part of the diet available.

This is also being discussed on another forum at present.

[STAFFBULLTERRIER]

but who knows what percentage of these baits do they eat in a week/day/month?just might make thier deaths take longer/loss of weight gain etc etc...surely none at all in thier food is better than any amount?

[simplescale]

Originally Posted by STAFFBULLTERRIER

just what are some people doing to our quarry?
Presevatives: Are they killing our fish? | News | Gofishing.co.uk | Go Fishing UK

the fish i'm after are old enough! sh××¥! baits not gonna make em live longer! quality or quantity? the age old quandry?

[Wooly]

I quite like eating apples. Wonder what would happen if I ate only apples for a long period, say 6 months? (If I made it that far)

Out of interest does it say anywhere what shelf life bait they tested, or, are they afraid their results wouldn't stand up in court after they bankrupt the companies in question?

[PJW]

Originally Posted by Wooly

Out of interest does it say anywhere what shelf life bait they tested

Not sure if they used any particular brand of bait, I'm sure that it was the preservatives that were tested.

[richk]

I would have thought that its not a seriuos problem as I cannot see the Bait Companies putting the fish at risk plus how many anglers do you know that use shelf lifes? - Me - None!

[Wooly]

Originally Posted by richk

I would have thought that its not a seriuos problem as I cannot see the Bait Companies putting the fish at risk plus how many anglers do you know that use shelf lifes? - Me - None!

Personally I use them frequently (Mistral), especially when in France and have caught well on them. If someone produced categoric proof that they were dangerous to fish in the quantities I use then I would stop.

[oliver reed]

An interesting subject this, we as humans (to use a crude similae) are notorious for binging on junk food and generally eating unhealthily, with many of our foodstuffs containing the very preservatives mentioned in that article. Yet does it constitute to any number of deaths per year homo sapien wise? (hard to ascertain what with heart disease etc but you get my drift I hope)

I know our dietry requirements/system differs greatly, would the fish 'know' when enough is enough after eating a fair proportion of shelfies or are they simply too basic a creature to comprehend that what they devour is dangerous in quantity?

I was always under the impression that carp on a big feed would quickly pass through their system any edible matter and therefore not absorb a massive amount of contained substance? Having used Pott Sorb as a preservative in my baits moons ago, I know only a small quantity is required to do the job and personally do not see it as a potential danger. However that is just my gut instinct.

As stated,these fish were subjected to a concentrated amount of preserved feed, in the wild its a completely differing matter. And surely if it was that serious as described in the article we would be witnessing high mortality rates on waters which see a lot of the type of angler who favours shelf life baits? The fish in my tank regularly get a treat in the way of a ready made crumbed up, its certainly done them no harm.

Sure would be interesting to see some of the bait companies standing up for themselves and hear their views, at the minute the silence is deafening unless I've missed some feedback?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

An interesting subject this, we as humans (to use a crude similae) are notorious for binging on junk food and generally eating unhealthily, with many of our foodstuffs containing the very preservatives mentioned in that article. Yet does it constitute to any number of deaths per year homo sapien wise? (hard to ascertain what with heart disease etc but you get my drift I hope)

I know our dietry requirements/system differs greatly, would the fish 'know' when enough is enough after eating a fair proportion of shelfies or are they simply too basic a creature to comprehend that what they devour is dangerous in quantity?

I was always under the impression that carp on a big feed would quickly pass through their system any edible matter and therefore not absorb a massive amount of contained substance? Having used Pott Sorb as a preservative in my baits moons ago, I know only a small quantity is required to do the job and personally do not see it as a potential danger. However that is just my gut instinct.

As stated,these fish were subjected to a concentrated amount of preserved feed, in the wild its a completely differing matter. And surely if it was that serious as described in the article we would be witnessing high mortality rates on waters which see a lot of the type of angler who favours shelf life baits? The fish in my tank regularly get a treat in the way of a ready made crumbed up, its certainly done them no harm.

Sure would be interesting to see some of the bait companies standing up for themselves and hear their views, at the minute the silence is deafening unless I've missed some feedback?

i cant comment for anyone else mate but i dont use any preservatives at all... i ve allways prefered fresh as baits... alot of firms do use them and i think your right in what you say about it not being a problem in the carps natural enviroment....i dont go by anything from tank tests myself as on the lake bed its a totaly different senario as the fish can take or leave what it picks up...plus if it eats something thats giving it problems other food items would be available to that fish to break down or flush through the undisirable item....i think if this was a real issue then it would have been picked up years ago....and im sure itll be something else next week....

[oliver reed]

Originally Posted by scotty

i cant comment for anyone else mate but i dont use any preservatives at all... i ve allways prefered fresh as baits... alot of firms do use them and i think your right in what you say about it not being a problem in the carps natural enviroment....i dont go by anything from tank tests myself as on the lake bed its a totaly different senario as the fish can take or leave what it picks up...plus if it eats something thats giving it problems other food items would be available to that fish to break down or flush through the undisirable item....i think if this was a real issue then it would have been picked up years ago....and im sure itll be something else next week....

Totally agree fella, its every biffin week we hear statistics on the tv/radio that 'x' is bad for you if eaten, be it eggs, meat, etc... due to scientific statistics that eating cheese will render you infertile and speaking German when you awaken in the morning.

Anything can be proved with statistics, provided people actually believe the data. Chikes if we listened to 'them', the scientists who come up with this garbage ( another bi-product of 'the student' but we'll discuss that some other time...) we'd all die of starvation and dehydration...

[scotty]

Originally Posted by oliver reed

Totally agree fella, its every biffin week we hear statistics on the tv/radio that 'x' is bad for you if eaten, be it eggs, meat, etc... due to scientific statistics that eating cheese will render you infertile and speaking German when you awaken in the morning.

Anything can be proved with statistics, provided people actually believe the data. Chikes if we listened to 'them', the scientists who come up with this garbage ( another bi-product of 'the student' but we'll discuss that some other time...) we'd all die of starvation and dehydration...

spot on mate.

[nick27g]

I do worry about preservatives and any additions that we put into foods for humans, and the fish. I would much rather avoid High Preservative and Junk food for me as well, so I tend to buy fresh and cook my own meals rather than eat Take-Outs or Microwave Instant Meals.
Look at the way of preserving foods in the past, Smoking, Drying or curing. In most cases Natural Preservatives

I know that Humans and Carp are different, but we all have a requirement for Nutrition. Some Preservatives and additives have been found to be having strange effects on us. My children go "hyper" after drinking certain Juice/Squash concentrates. If we eat a diet of too much Red Meat we put ourselves at risk of certain cancers (supposedly), too many High Fat Oils may cause obesity and Liver/Kidney damage, high cholesterol etc. Even an excess of Salt can be a risk (adding onto my worry of the current fashion of Curing Baits in Salt)

I try not to use Preservatives in any quantity in Baits I make up. I would rather Air Dry them and know that they are the same make up as my Frozen Baits, the only difference is that they are rock hard, and will take on water more quickly.

Yet I have been known to use Shelf Lifes as Instant Baits, but in far less quantities than Frozen/Air Dried which I pre-bait with. The Shelfies more as a Sweet than as a meal.

[Sugarbabe]

Use Fish Meal in your baits ?.....

It contains Ethoxyquin....an antioxidant and preservative...

Now....are you all sure you dont use preservatives ? ......

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Sugarbabe

Use Fish Meal in your baits ?.....

It contains Ethoxyquin....an antioxidant and preservative...

Now....are you all sure you dont use preservatives ? ......

were talking added preservatives here sugar...and i dont add preservatives..i think you want the fish industries forum to air any concerns about antioxidants....or would you prefer you fishmeals delivered rancid...